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SOP = Start of production
EOP = End of production
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any information at all about what differences to expect re: engines, pricing, etc?
And is it normal for them only to have a 7-month production run on a new model car? Would it be possible that its in April 2012 that the rumored engine changes might come around?
And is it normal for them only to have a 7-month production run on a new model car? Would it be possible that its in April 2012 that the rumored engine changes might come around?
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Thanks Jason! Where did you receive this info? It appears to be from a PDF doc... Any more details regarding changes?
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seems strange to only have 7 months production for 2012 models, unless there is a mid year engine change, but why would the 35i also have a mid year change?
No mention of a 35D?
No mention of a 35D?
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buckeyebill wroteThis is official info for US production BMWs. No details yet on changes for the next model year, but we'll share those as soon as we know.Thanks Jason! Where did you receive this info? It appears to be from a PDF doc... Any more details regarding changes?
Mako wroteNone. These are currently the only X3 models listed for the 2012 Model Year.No mention of a 35D?
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Jason wroteLooks like no engine change right? Still F25's? No 4 cylinder changes?This is official info for US production BMWs. No details yet on changes for the next model year, but we'll share those as soon as we know.
None. These are currently the only X3 models listed for the 2012 Model Year.
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Pinoyako wroteDidn't say. F25 is just the platform code. It only said 28i which can be either N52 or N20.Looks like no engine change right? Still F25's? No 4 cylinder changes?
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clarence wroteBMW is killing me here, I think I will have to get a car before 2012 since my LR2 has 42,000 miles on it right now and I do not want to own that thing after the warranty is over,Didn't say. F25 is just the platform code. It only said 28i which can be either N52 or N20.
Was hoping for the Diesel engine but it looks like that will come out next year or the year after... so I will probalby get the 35i and then be upset that I didn't wait 1 year for the Diesel or 2 years for the X3M
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I suspect that BMW will be putting out the new 335i with a 320hp variant of the N55 and that they have shortened the second X3 model year to coincide with that and introduce that higher spec N55 to the X3 also. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2.0 liter N20 sees some sort of bump in power in the F30 328i and third model year X3 via updated tuning or something.
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Mako wroteThe diesels won't appear yet cos I think the new generation engines are not yet compliant w/US emissions laws.Was hoping for the Diesel engine but it looks like that will come out next year or the year after...
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Thanks for the information.
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clarence wroteDon't you get diesels in any of the BMW model range?The diesels won't appear yet cos I think the new generation engines are not yet compliant w/US emissions laws.
Surely the emmissions laws apply equally to all vehicles in the BMW range?
They all use the same three diesel engines.
I would have thought this would have been more of a market driven choice by BMW USA.
Perhaps because your petrol is so inexpensive, diesel cars are not as highly desirable as they are in countries where 50-80% of the bowser price is tax.
Over here, with $1.5 a litre for petrol or diesel, a diesel SUV which can drink 6 litres per 100km is highly attractive compared to a petrol equivalent that will drink 11 litres per 100km.
07-21-2011
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Dr Stig 2 wrotewe have the old 35D in the US, 265 HP I think but not the new 300+ HP one, I think they are waiting for that engine before giving the X3 a Diesel option here. Price in Chicago Suburbs is about $4.20 for premium right now and $3.90 for Diesel. So save me $0.30/gallon and give me 15% better MPG than the 35i with the same power, I am sold!Don't you get diesels in any of the BMW model range?
Surely the emmissions laws apply equally to all vehicles in the BMW range?
They all use the same three diesel engines.
I would have thought this would have been more of a market driven choice by BMW USA.
Perhaps because your petrol is so inexpensive, diesel cars are not as highly desirable as they are in countries where 50-80% of the bowser price is tax.
Over here, with $1.5 a litre for petrol or diesel, a diesel SUV which can drink 6 litres per 100km is highly attractive compared to a petrol equivalent that will drink 11 litres per 100km.
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Thanks for the info. Hearing that the 2012 will have slight chances, I opted to get the 2011. I really wanted a Diesel engine. 
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or new AC Schnitzer?
Mako wroteBMW is killing me here, I think I will have to get a car before 2012 since my LR2 has 42,000 miles on it right now and I do not want to own that thing after the warranty is over,
Was hoping for the Diesel engine but it looks like that will come out next year or the year after... so I will probalby get the 35i and then be upset that I didn't wait 1 year for the Diesel or 2 years for the X3M
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Dealer called me this morning and said no new engines for 2012. I said no order from me without the N20 and he said he would call me if anything changed. I would go diesel also if that came out.
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So Germany is the only market so far with 35d? 230kw/630nm sounds tasty to me. I want!
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Hi all, greetings from Portugal.
Yeap, Germany seems the only market with info about the 35d but I guess other European countries will have similar info within a couple of months. At least in Portugal, orders will become available in October.
Yeap, Germany seems the only market with info about the 35d but I guess other European countries will have similar info within a couple of months. At least in Portugal, orders will become available in October.
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Dr Stig 2 wroteThe only diesel available in USA is the 335d & the X5 35d, & both are still using M57 engine. N57 is not yet ready for US 50-state legal emissions (California use a tighter set of standard). In order to comply with US standard, an extra catalyst just to reduce NOx is needed, but that is only a starting point.Don't you get diesels in any of the BMW model range?
Surely the emmissions laws apply equally to all vehicles in the BMW range?
They all use the same three diesel engines.
I would have thought this would have been more of a market driven choice by BMW USA.
Perhaps because your petrol is so inexpensive, diesel cars are not as highly desirable as they are in countries where 50-80% of the bowser price is tax.
Different countries have different emission laws, but basically worldwide there are 3 major standards which are the basis of emission laws for nearly every country in the world, namely the EU "Euro" standard, the US EPA standard & the Japanese standard. For example, Australian Design Rules (ADR) is based on EU standard (in fact, nearly all countries ex Japan & America base their rules on EU stds). The Japanese & US standards are the strictest re diesel cars where both diesel & petrol are measured against the same standard, whereas for EU std diesels are more lenient than petrol (i.e. different rules for petrol & diesel). That's why it's easy to get petrol engines certified for worldwide use as all 3 standards are similar, but it's very difficult for diesels as it has higher NOx emission than petrol, & both US & Jpn rules stipulate a much lower NOx figure than possible for any diesel that complies with EU V (diesel subset).
For US, diesels are market driven cos it's requires expensive mods & R&D in order to make them comply with US emission laws. If US simply follows EU regs then they would probably offer the whole range of diesel cars as there's no extra cost in that case.
Things may change in a few yrs time as there'll be convergence between the 2 EU standards from EU VI onwards, & so more diesels may be available as EU VI requires the same technology as the current US standard, but that's assuming the EPA doesn't tighten their own standard in the meantime.
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WAY wroteSo Germany is the only market so far with 35d? 230kw/630nm sounds tasty to me. I want!
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So we have hundreds of thousands of 18 wheelers driving around emiting clouds of black crap but the auto diesels probably emit vertually no emmisions. Makes a lot of sense, of course this is the same gov't that wants 56 miles per gallon average and gave us "cash for clunkers" which totally got us out of a recession.
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Of course if we invested in rail we could take a lot of those 18-wheelers off the road. But unlike European countries our government has never had the b@lls to pull the trigger on a coordinated transportation plan...too many vested interests and too many hands in back pockets to let that happen.
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