DS_BMW wrote  

E90M3JETS wrote  

Porsche executives are laughing right now. At this price only a fool would choose this monstrosity over the Macan. :

The problem is everything is an option on a Porsche. So it will be 75k with a few options.

You can easily find a Macan S for $60k nicely equipped including ventilated seats, which are not even offered by BMW. If you do not go crazy with options on the Porsche it is a bargain compare to the X4.

Mako wrote  

hoyasaxa wrote  

No standard nav... ?

It's just an X4. Have to go up a series for standard nav.

Not in the uk...but the 90's interior is still standart though...still no match for the porker Macan

With typical option pick, it comes out to $63,750.
Macan S with similar options comes out to $63,000.

I think Macan is a better value for the car you get.

E90M3JETS wrote  

DS_BMW wrote  

E90M3JETS wrote  

Porsche executives are laughing right now. At this price only a fool would choose this monstrosity over the Macan. :

The problem is everything is an option on a Porsche. So it will be 75k with a few options.

You can easily find a Macan S for $60k nicely equipped including ventilated seats, which are not even offered by BMW. If you do not go crazy with options on the Porsche it is a bargain compare to the X4.

What are residuals for the Macan S?

Macan is nice but the badge is too short. They should have went with:
Macan S PDK3.0V6TT

Yeah but who's faster

DS_BMW wrote

What are residuals for the Macan S?

61% for 36mo 10k mi/yr. High MF kills the high residual, though. Generally, Porsches do not lease well...

jlstyle wrote

With typical option pick, it comes out to $63,750.
Macan S with similar options comes out to $63,000.

I think Macan is a better value for the car you get.

54,500 Macan S base
5,690 Premium Package Plus
1,170 LED Headlights with PDLS Plus
1,740 Standard interior with leather seats
1,260 20" SportDesign Wheels
1,360 PASM
690 for Metallic paint
995 Destination

You're over 67k and you have none of the performance options that make the Macan S better. You'd still need to upgrade PASM to the air suspension, add PTV Plus and the Sport Chrono Pack.

ND40oz wrote

54,500 Macan S base
5,690 Premium Package Plus
1,170 LED Headlights with PDLS Plus
1,740 Standard interior with leather seats
1,260 20" SportDesign Wheels
1,360 PASM
690 for Metallic paint
995 Destination

You're over 67k and you have none of the performance options that make the Macan S better. You'd still need to upgrade PASM to the air suspension, add PTV Plus and the Sport Chrono Pack.

lol exactly, this kid has no idea, or cant do math, lollll

Macan S is slower than the m40i. If based on HP the m40i should be compared to macan gts (which is a lot more expensive). The m40i does 0 to 100 km/h in only 0,1 sec slower (4,9s) than Macan Turbo (4,8s without chrono pack). And i don't compare efficiency. So for the value the m40i is a winner.

That M shifter though...cant get that in the Macan

SANK_CH wrote  

Macan S is slower than the m40i. If based on HP the m40i should be compared to macan gts (which is a lot more expensive). The m40i does 0 to 100 km/h in only 0,1 sec slower (4,9s) than Macan Turbo (4,8s without chrono pack). And i don't compare efficiency. So for the value the m40i is a winner.

Yeah sure...i am positive on the road you will feel that diference in 0-60 times. The way it drives and sounds though are worth 10k alone. Believe me. Macan hands down is the winner here.

ND40oz wrote

54,500 Macan S base
5,690 Premium Package Plus
1,170 LED Headlights with PDLS Plus
1,740 Standard interior with leather seats
1,260 20" SportDesign Wheels
1,360 PASM
690 for Metallic paint
995 Destination

You're over 67k and you have none of the performance options that make the Macan S better. You'd still need to upgrade PASM to the air suspension, add PTV Plus and the Sport Chrono Pack.

You speak like X4M40 has LED, active suspension, 20" wheels, things in PPP in the price I quoted.
X4M40 comes out to $66,600 if you include the options you added up for the Macan. Sad.

Crashnbrn5 wrote

lol exactly, this kid has no idea, or cant do math, lollll

I can only assume you don't even know how to do a "comparison".

ND40oz wrote

54,500 Macan S base
5,690 Premium Package Plus
1,170 LED Headlights with PDLS Plus
1,740 Standard interior with leather seats
1,260 20" SportDesign Wheels
1,360 PASM
690 for Metallic paint
995 Destination

You're over 67k and you have none of the performance options that make the Macan S better. You'd still need to upgrade PASM to the air suspension, add PTV Plus and the Sport Chrono Pack.

jlstyle wrote

You speak like X4M40 has LED, active suspension, 20" wheels, things in PPP in the price I quoted.
X4M40 comes out to $66,600 if you include the options you added up for the Macan. Sad.

Your math is still off and dynamic dampers are standard on the X4 M40i.

57,800 X4 M40i
550 for Metallic Paint
2750 Tech Pack
1900 Lighting Pack
950 20" 680M
995 Destination

64,945 total

ND40oz wrote

Your math is still off and dynamic dampers are standard on the X4 M40i.

57,800 X4 M40i
550 for Metallic Paint
2750 Tech Pack
1900 Lighting Pack
950 20" 680M
995 Destination

64,945 total

If you are going to pick someone off, just read your stuff better.
Where's cold weather package? If this is the game you are playing take off the PPP from Macan and just add PP to be apple to apple as X4 doesn't even offer a ventilation seat nor panoramic roof. If you sort things out Macan will always come under.

And of course, we all know that fit and finish is better on Macan when you ride one after X4.

jlstyle wrote

If you are going to pick someone off, just read your stuff better.
Where's cold weather package? If this is the game you are playing take off the PPP from Macan and just add PP to be apple to apple as X4 doesn't even offer a ventilation seat nor panoramic roof. If you sort things out Macan will always come under.

And of course, we all know that fit and finish is better on Macan when you ride one after X4.

I'm trying to match package for package including option for option, obviously since they don't match up perfectly you have to try and get it as close as possible. So sure, let's spend the 950 for the cold weather package and the 1700 for drivers assistance plus taking the price to $67,595 and we basically have a loaded X4 M40i.

So to get it as close as possible on the Macan we'll need to add:

250 Heated Steering wheel
1380 Lane Keep Assist and Lane Change Assist
1190 Park Assist with Surround View
230 Window Trim in Black (High-Gloss)

We can also spend 1440 to add Adaptive Cruise on the Macan and 1200 to add it on the X4 M40i.

You're missing the ventilated seats, but you're also several grand higher on the Macan S.

So again, why is the Macan a better value? I went through this exact same thing a year and a half ago when I opted for the SQ5 over the Macan S. The only way it made sense was to get the performance options only available on the Macan and then when you've spec'd it to 70k+ then you might as well get the Turbo so it's not slower then its competition.

Macan might start with an M but its not a BMW. Therefore the people on the porche forum should consider it, not us.

E90M3JETS wrote  

DS_BMW wrote  

E90M3JETS wrote  

Porsche executives are laughing right now. At this price only a fool would choose this monstrosity over the Macan. :

The problem is everything is an option on a Porsche. So it will be 75k with a few options.

You can easily find a Macan S for $60k nicely equipped including ventilated seats, which are not even offered by BMW. If you do not go crazy with options on the Porsche it is a bargain compare to the X4.

Good luck getting a reasonable discount on Porsche vs BMW.

Good luck on that P-Car Lease too.

I will say that I personally find the Macan nice to look at.

However for engine performance and cost price and support pricing the X4 wins hands down.

Does the HUD offer the M HUD mode? Anybody know or read anywhere?

No it won't have M HUD. Like the X5/X6 m50d which don't have the M HUD. But it would have been nice to have an M HUD, or something between the M and the std one.

December 1st, the m40i production line should start anytime from now. So by end of January we will have the first drive reviews from medias.