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Is the X5M $40k better? As in, the X5M is better than a new X3m and a 2016 F8x
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Because a used f8x crank hub will blow up and your house will be on fire. I'm going to go with the X5 M. Only Bc I don't want my dog dying in a house fire.
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Huh, I've had 2 F8x, one 2015 and one 2018 comp and neither have had a crank hub issue ... it's almost like that's not really a thing unless you plan on tuning the shit out of the motor ... but then why would one want to tune an SUV?
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10-17-2019, 06:18 AM | #27 |
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Going through the specs, it just makes me want to get an M2.
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10-17-2019, 07:16 AM | #28 |
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Compared to what other vehicles of similar class and capability?
Aston Martin is supposedly focusing on weight reduction in it's DBX so it'll be interesting to see where it's weight fits in this field. No doubt Mnfrs could easily lower curb weights with more extensive use of CFRP and composites, but suspect they've run cost:benefit analyses and realize sales would drop at those higher MSRPs. Maybe in the upper stratosphere boutique lines it could work. https://www.topspeed.com/cars/everyt...-ar186748.html Last edited by Max Well; 10-17-2019 at 07:18 AM.. Reason: Added the link |
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X4M all day such an amazing car coming from 3 Cayenne Turbos and 1 GTS.
The size alone makes the X4M perfect; definitely can out handle a larger SUV without a doubt in my mind. I spotted one issue however it doesn't "pop pop" like the M40i X4 in sport mode only thing I wish the X4M had. The space is great fits as much as my Cayenne did. Plus it's 40k cheaper X4M,X3M even the GLC63S is a great one to consider. |
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I will be. But I also love having no brake dust and clean wheels all the time. The stopping power is better/different as well.
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10-17-2019, 09:21 AM | #31 |
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Very useful info thanks, I thought the X3M was slightly narrower (which would be good for me) and it shows on your table.
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M5 comp still looks like the best bang of buck for me, wish M2 comp was lighter...
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Out of curiosity where did you find the turning radius info? I want to see the difference IAS makes for non-///M models GrussGott
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I'll get beat up for this but I don't think there is enough difference in-terms of 0-60 for a daily driver, practical size inside to justify the larger SAV. I had the 2017 X5M and now 2020 X3MC; this slightly smaller vehicle seems more nimble and I can literally feel the weight difference (yes due to V8 engine and size). The thing I'm feeling most noticeable is the "plusher" feel that the X5M has; alcantara headliner; more leather trim; thicker seats....and in the new model X5M the moon roof will have that led feature; but even with all that I feel like it would be just burning cash to compete with Lamborghini? Not really sure if I could justify X5MC for myself. I'm thinking this X3MC hits all the right notes and for $40k less. Both super vehicles.
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It's subjective though. When I first test drove ///M cars in Munich (in 2017) I had the M3, X5 M, X6 M, and M6 GC. Those were the cars I was considering ordering at the time and the F80 had the best driving feel for what I enjoy.
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F97/98 Turning Radius: https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showt...g=1442&slide=2 Note the complete spec sheets were from the pdf BMW released back in early Feb 2019, entitled, "The_New_BMW_X3M_Specifications_BMW_X3_M" F95/96 Turning Radius: https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1657119 M2C : https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1497668 M5C : https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1494065 M8C : https://f92.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1659085 And as full disclosure, note the frontal area (A) for the F95/96 haven't been released yet, or that I could find. So the simple derivation is to find the full frontal area (width x height), then multiply by the fractional percentage which is the vehicle and not air. A general rule of thumb is about 80% across the board, but to be more exacting I used the known fraction for the F97 (0.849566) for the F95 as their body design is similar, and the known fraction for the F98 (0.845030) for the F96 by similar reasoning. Likewise, I couldn't find it for the M8C as it is also so new, so I used the M5C's known fraction of 0.875445. Oh, and I meant to add -- your question was whether non-M's turning radii are different from the M versions. The G01 M40i radius is 19.85 feet [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1397493 ] and the G01 30i is 19.7 feet (same reference). These c/w the F97's 20.7 feet. Last edited by Max Well; 10-17-2019 at 01:08 PM.. Reason: Forgot to add the turning radii for G01 M40i & 30i... |
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Let us know your findings, AR. Given the shorter wheelbase of the F97/98 lineage and my own experience in tight parking lots with our G01 M40i models, I must admit that hasn't been on my radar. But an interesting question for sure.
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Article about the G05 with a discussion about Integral Active Steering (IAS) - indicates improved turning radius by as much as 1 meter. No reference given for how that number was derived, and I wonder if perhaps that wasn’t actually the turning circle which I’ve seen reported by BMW in a number of models, especially in the European tech sheets, so might be a possible source of confusion. https://www.drivingthenation.com/201...tive-steering/ Discussion of IAS, with comment indicating the Renault Laguna GT has a 10% smaller turning circle (therefore a 5% smaller radius) of 10.80m with 18” tires c/w 12.05m. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/i...ned-20848.html |
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