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But why not have it look like the standard X3? It would sell way better to the general public. The iX3's exterior styling pictured in the original post is extremely week, dated! |
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I also drive from Milwaukee to Chicago and back on occasion (90 mi each way) on a single charge and the range estimate has always been relatively accurate (all 4 seasons...)
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Yes, because most Tesla owners are VERY happy with their cars. What is wrong with that. All things said and done, isn't that what is most important? Tesla had over 440,000 PAID reservations on the Model 3 before it even went into production. That's pretty successful by anyone's metric. People must want/like these cars for SOME reason. Why do you feel so defensive about it? That's quite a rant you have, but why do you seem to feel that Tesla must "lose" in order for BMW to "win"? BMW is on a very encouraging path here with a 200+ mile EV. That's something very positive (IMHO). Why do you feel you have to sh*t on Tesla to make your point? Have you owned a Tesla? I'm on my third EV (Volt, Tesla MX, i8 Roadster). I've had many BMW's and the Model X (my daily driver) is one of my favorite cars of all time. Whats wrong with that?
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I'll leave the pro/anti Tesla arguments for others. I'm on my third electric car. i3, 330e, and X5 40e. My observations on many of the preceding constructive comments:
1) A PHEV, while a compromise with both an ICE and electric powertrain, makes sense with the current state of high-capacity charging infrastructure and on-board charging rates. My wife's X5 40e just returned 35 MPG in a 6000 mi road trip, with no charging and 50% of her local driving is electric with the 16 mi electric range. It would be 100% with a 30 mi range. Having a car like this makes it easy to have a local use only i3. 2) I charge at home, exclusively, but I was the first-in to install my own charger in our condo. Others may not be so lucky to be able to install a home charger. This is where a 200-250 mi range is useful, even for local use. It means one can use a public charger once a week while at the grocery store--my nearest grocery store has two DC public charging stations and the VW "Electrify America" should improve this situation. I hope BMW is looking for an alternative assembly point for this car. If the China car tariffs continue, it'll never make it in the US. Volvo has shifted XC60 production for the US from China back to Gothenburg--thankfully, they never went exclusively with China, as BMW has announced for the iX3. I'm a potential buyer for the iX3 when the X5 40e lease ends (11/2020), but not if it's a China car. I also love the Jag i-pace and thankfully, I'll see a year's on-road experience for it before I pull the pin. Jag reliability (actually unreliability) is concerning. If I go for an all-electric SUV-like vehicle with a 20" fording capability (Houston rainstorms) for my wife, I'll probably get a 535e to replace my 330e as the "trip" car. In the US, these are priced the same as the full ICE 530i and it will do for 100% of my usual in-town use plus be a superb road trip car.. |
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I have a 2013 X3 3.5 MS and a 2018 i3S - I like both.
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Have you driven it until 0 mile range in different ambient conditions? |
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Because, as I drive a mile, the remaining range goes down a mile. If I take a relatively long trip (200 miles), I will have approximately the exact range left as it was reporting when I started (minus the associated 200 miles). I've driven down to Chicago in the heat of Summer and the cold of Winter. I've pulled it down to probably 30 miles or so... It would be stupid to pull the car all the way down to zero as it would be effectively done at that point... Why do you want to think the car is lying about the range?
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your car indicating 30 miles left is really 30 miles left? or minimum 30 miles left? You may be able to go 50 more miles when it indicates 0 miles left. That's why I said it's probably very conservative. (again, which is good) It's better to give you less indicated range then what it actually has, so you don't run out of juice in the middle of nowhere. |
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Also I never said Tesla must lose for Bmw to win it was never even where I was going and your putting words in my mouth. It wasn't a rant as I was being subjective and said Tesla's the only game in town for serious ev. But the company is risky. That's fact. I'm also writing on my own experience here in Chicago with the dealership and my work mate who drives a model s and having to see what happens when things go south. Your area may do it better. I have Tesla stock and it's done great for me. But as someone who wants it to succeed I see many roadblocks in the way and instead of focusing on getting their current cars streamlined they are working on to many projects to keep investors satisfied and loosing focus. Instead of drinking the cool-aid like so many I have a different outlook that may be more negative than a "they can do no wrong" mentality. Call it tough love. Your hard on the ones you want to succeed. They make a great car for what it is but it's getting long in the tooth. What frustrates me is Tesla's had many years to make profit and a ceo who can never keep a date and now with the rest of the world catching up I see an iPhone scenario. Apple had the best phone on the market and everyone had to have it but then the rest of the market caught up and even surpassed them in innovation and now theirs great alternatives and their no longer the only option. If Tesla can barely make a profit now they only have a couple more years before the market is flooded with new options and people won't wait the 5 years to get their model 3 .... Time will tell. All is good And hugs all around. These text forums suck for conveying feeling so it reads harsher than what I'm saying. If we were talking at the bar with a couple coca colas it be way more fun and a good debate ... |
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For this year ... Toyota Prius prime sales was pretty much the equal of the model 3 for the first half of the year however the model 3 sales have been huge the last 3 months. 2018 Tesla production clearly appears to have affected Chevrolet Bolt and Volt sales... which both had very healthy sales in 2017. Unsurprisingly , there certainly appears to be a large advantage to the New kid on the block when it comes to sales. |
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