Kevin_The_Clean1 wrote

The power to weight ratio on the current gen M5 is much better than this XM in an overweight sedan body. Looks like the G90 was the last of the good ones. RIP nimble, dynamic & agile super sedan...

You mean the F90….

avi66 wrote

The current X5 can have acoustic side glass, just depends on the region. Here it’s an option across the X5 range -

reposting this but I am sure I saw them advertise the car will have acoustic glazing in the press release briefing. Its under the More generous standard specification for greater comfort and driving pleasure section.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0442377EN/the-new-bmw-x3?language=en

Kingrxx wrote

reposting this but I am sure I saw them advertise the car will have acoustic glazing in the press release briefing. Its under the More generous standard specification for greater comfort and driving pleasure section.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0442377EN/the-new-bmw-x3?language=en

Looks like it applies only to the windshield and front side windows. Not the rear side windows. Is that the same on the X5? From BMW's marketing writeup: "Optimised window guides and joint seals, acoustic glazing for the windscreen and front side windows, as well as newly designed exterior mirrors all do their bit to improve acoustic comfort".

Kingrxx wrote

reposting this but I am sure I saw them advertise the car will have acoustic glazing in the press release briefing. Its under the More generous standard specification for greater comfort and driving pleasure section.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0442377EN/the-new-bmw-x3?language=en

There is mention on page 11 in the “Global” launch info.

It will be easy enough to tell what regions get this as it will show on the VIN as an option code SA3KA. Odd it doesn’t appear under standard features in the US price list.

It looks like the run flat tires are gone in MY2025. Space saver spare is now standard equipment on the M50.

Mattl0806 wrote

Spot on. Another good comparison. Non m sport x5 decently appointed in the mid to upper 70s.

And- when you think about the 8 percent discount off MSRP of about 6,000.00- an x5 40 will be less to lease than a x3 m50

roadrunner_clams wrote

It looks like the run flat tires are gone in MY2025. Space saver spare is now standard equipment on the M50.

I gotta say, I welcome this. I ordered two G01s and almost went for the spare. I just couldn't live with that hump.

My issues with RFTs has nothing -- nothing at all -- to do with price or ride. It's a BMW (I keep them original) so I expect to be raped on tire replacements by the dealer. And, to be honest, on my 30i and my M40i -- both with identical 19" inch wheels -- the ride on the former is plush. And the ride on the latter is, as one expects on an M Performance car, stiffer. Both cars are killer daily drivers. I just love the X3.

My issue with RFTs is availability -- long road trips are a risk. You have to make it to strange BMW dealer when you get a flat and be prepared to wait while they order the tire from the distributor (which isn't BMW NA, BTW).

At least with a limited service spare and a conventional tire, you can limp to a shop to see if the conventional tire is repairable.

I know I'm gonna start a flame war, but RFTs -- especially when used in emergency mode -- are unrepairable. Unless, that is, you are prepared to ride on a tire whose sidewall gave up the ghost to get you safely off the interstate.

So, G45 going to conventional tires with a limited service spare makes me much more likely to take the car on a road trip. And that's what BMWs excel at doing. And another reason for me to consider a G45.

JK479 wrote

And- when you think about the 8 percent discount off MSRP of about 6,000.00- an x5 40 will be less to lease than a x3 m50

100% the new x3 m50 will probably lease more expensive than both an msport 540 and x5. That would be crazy to pay more.

Yobyot wrote

I gotta say, I welcome this. I ordered two G01s and almost went for the spare. I just couldn't live with that hump.

My issues with RFTs has nothing -- nothing at all -- to do with price or ride. It's a BMW (I keep them original) so I expect to be raped on tire replacements by the dealer. And, to be honest, on my 30i and my M40i -- both with identical 19" inch wheels -- the ride on the former is plush. And the ride on the latter is, as one expects on an M Performance car, stiffer. Both cars are killer daily drivers. I just love the X3.

My issue with RFTs is availability -- long road trips are a risk. You have to make it to strange BMW dealer when you get a flat and be prepared to wait while they order the tire from the distributor (which isn't BMW NA, BTW).

Why would you buy tyres from a BMW dealer ?

You can usually buy BMW * marked OE tyres (same as fitted at the BMW factory) from many regular tyre dealers. These tyres are not supplied by BMW, just designed for use with BMW by the tyre maker, and have a * marking on the sidewall to denote this.

Typically * marked don’t cost any more that the same brand non * marked from most tyre dealers.

M2siast wrote

Star marked tires cost more than non star marked tires.

Generally cost about the same here unless you buy from a BMW dealer rather than a tyre retailer.

Kingrxx wrote

I am sure I saw them advertise the car will have acoustic glazing in the press release briefing. Its under the More generous standard specification for greater comfort and driving pleasure section.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0442377EN/the-new-bmw-x3?language=en

If you go look at the last photo that was posted yesterday in this post....does it look like the window has 2 panes of glass? I can't fully tell if I'm indeed seeing 2 panes there or if that is just window trimming.
https://g45.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2114909

jikhead wrote

If you go look at the last photo that was posted yesterday in this post....does it look like the window has 2 panes of glass? I can't fully tell if I'm indeed seeing 2 panes there or if that is just window trimming.
https://g45.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2114909

Looks single pane.

Red=glass pane
Green=inner v seal
Yellow=outer seal

avi66 wrote

Looks single pane.

Red=glass pane
Green=inner v seal
Yellow=outer seal

I was thinking that yellow you marked was another glass pane, but I honestly can't fully tell either way.

jikhead wrote

I was thinking that yellow you marked was another glass pane, but I honestly can't fully tell either way.

The outside most edge is the Shadowline gloss window trim, which cover the outer window seal that is visible between this trim and the glass pane. This seal is what that the yellow arrow points to.

On my acoustic glass the edge is ground smooth, so there no dividing groove, so a faint line.

Probably more noticeable in this shot -

avi66 wrote

Why would you buy tyres from a BMW dealer ?

You can usually buy BMW * marked OE tyres (same as fitted at the BMW factory) from many regular tyre dealers. These tyres are not supplied by BMW, just designed for use with BMW by the tyre maker, and have a * marking on the sidewall to denote this.

Typically * marked don’t cost any more that the same brand non * marked from most tyre dealers.

In the USA, “star” tires can ONLY be purchased through BMW Tire…which sells exclusively to BMW dealers.

That’s not to say one cannot get the exact same tire (minus the star) from other sources. For example, my M40i came with Bridgestone RFTs. The exact model (minus the star) is available from Bridgestone-owned Firestone stores.

A BMW dealer will tell you, as the ad you included essentially says, that they're not the same tire.

I believe the star marking is a way to give the BMW Tire/BMW dealer network an exclusive. And what’s the value of that? The ability to charge more.

I don’t buy that the starred tire is substantially different from the non-starred one. Clearly, the mold is different (because it adds the star to the sidewall) but based on my experience in manufacturing, making more than very subtle changes to the product adds costs. That’s something Bridgestone would avoid. So, the star mark is simply marketing. I’ll be the inputs to the mold are identical between the two products with distribution channel being the only difference.

In the US we see this often. TVs are another great example. “Wholesale clubs” (Costco, etc.) often have the same actual TV with a different model number that differentiates only the sales channel.

Yobyot wrote

In the USA, “star” tires can ONLY be purchased through BMW Tire…which sells exclusively to BMW dealers.

That’s not to say one cannot get the exact same tire (minus the star) from other sources. For example, my M40i came with Bridgestone RFTs. The exact model (minus the star) is available from Bridgestone-owned Firestone stores.

A BMW dealer will tell you, as the ad you included essentially says, that they're not the same tire.

I believe the star marking is a way to give the BMW Tire/BMW dealer network an exclusive. And what’s the value of that? The ability to charge more.

I don’t buy that the starred tire is substantially different from the non-starred one. Clearly, the mold is different (because it adds the star to the sidewall) but based on my experience in manufacturing, making more than very subtle changes to the product adds costs. That’s something Bridgestone would avoid. So, the star mark is simply marketing. I’ll be the inputs to the mold are identical between the two products with distribution channel being the only difference.

In the US we see this often. TVs are another great example. “Wholesale clubs” (Costco, etc.) often have the same actual TV with a different model number that differentiates only the sales channel.

Very different here as BMW * marked tyres can be purchased at most tyre retailers including places like Costco.

I believe there are design difference between the BMW * and the generic version beyond just stamping a star on the sidewall. A comparison video here of * v same brand generic.-


Example of retailers here selling BMW * marked tyres -

What's the interior camera for w/o gesture control? I believe I'm already in the same boat since I have a MY23 X3.

EWL5 wrote

What's the interior camera for w/o gesture control? I believe I'm already in the same boat since I have a MY23 X3.

Security.

Wonder why they got rid of Carbon Black as a color option. It was one of my favorite colors

Montaver wrote

Outside of merino and idrive9 there is little new over the old car apart from some grills that light up. No acoustic glass which is now present outside of the luxury brands, you can spec it on a Honda Pilot for example. This was a low effort release from BMW, kind of disappointed as really considering getting one in a few years when my m340 lease ends.

Are you kidding me.. Bmw is a performance brand if you want that junk go by Honda

njbballjerzy5 wrote

Wonder why they got rid of Carbon Black as a color option. It was one of my favorite colors

BMW figure people will prefer the bland beige colour on their “sporty” SUV, so it replaced carbon black.

It appears the key for BMW design ethos isn’t to look good, and to prioritise form over function, just to be different and look cheap.

The G45 exterior kinda reminds me of the XM, which is about as popular with consumers as a turd in a swimming pool, and BMW can’t give them away lol. 😜

avi66 wrote

The G45 exterior kinda reminds me of the XM, which is about as popular with consumers as a turd in a swimming pool, and BMW can’t give them away lol. 😜

Do you honestly expect the XM, which has a starting price of $160,000, to be a big seller? It's a complete niche vehicle. I'm sure the 2025 X3 will sell very well as it always has. It looks modern and makes the previous model look old and outdated.