[bde]

Hi All,

Swapping my 2020 x3 m40i for 2024 one with m sport diff, however, I have a question about winter setup.

I currently drove four years worth of winters on 19" rims w/ scorpion 235/55r19 square setup and it worked great, however, i know that this winter tire spec is slightly off of size of the original BMW 19" winter spec tires and I'm wondering whether I'll be damaging m sport differential with this kind of winter setup and should change my winter tires? Car will come with 699M 20" summers.

Any input?
Thanks!

[Goody4]

Well, this post got my interest when you mentioned ruining the m sport differential. I have never heard of this, but it certainly doesn't mean it's not a thing.

Using Tirerack, I entered your particular tire into their configurator and got two winter tire results. They didn't warn about any potential problems this tire setup would have on the differential.

Tirerack is usually good at pointing out things that might adversely affect your vehicle if it has certain options.

[GFarra31]

bde ,

I have a 2023 M40 with the M Sport Differential. I am also running the same size winter tire as you, but mine are Michelin X-Ice SUV tires.

I have not had any issues this past winter. The differential is basically a limited slip as I understand. The tire size doesn't matter so long as its the same size on both right and left.

I also have the factory spare, which is way smaller in diameter....if used in the rear, the car must figure out how not to blow itself up....at least I can only hope

Regards, George

[jwong77]

I've always been curious about this, am I correct in assuming M Sport Diff is BMW marketing speak for a common LSD?

[Dinan_Rated]

Originally Posted by jwong77

I've always been curious about this, am I correct in assuming M Sport Diff is BMW marketing speak for a common LSD?

yes standard on all M models.

[dmicah]

Originally Posted by GFarra31

bde ,

I also have the factory spare, which is way smaller in diameter....if used in the rear, the car must figure out how not to blow itself up....at least I can only hope

Regards, George

Or, if you're running square, you could move the front tire to the rear and the spare tire to the front.

[glennbk]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Rated

yes standard on all M models.

I think they are also standard in Europe.

[jwong77]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Rated

yes standard on all M models.

M model as in the real M cars or the M Performance ones like our M40i? I had assumed I had an open diff, since I didn't remember seeing any mention of a diff in my build sheet.

[bde]

Thanks all for replies!

I also talk to my tire shop and they said - no known problems in 4-5 prior years with any x3 m40's with respect to this so I think I'm good)

With respect to M diff option it doesn't come standard in North America I think and you have to option it- Europe is different I believe.

Also, I think the M diff in the M40 is electronic vs mechanical differential in the real M model. Correct me if I'm wrong

[TXGrey]

Could be wrong, but don’t believe it’s standard on M-lite vehicles (I.e. M40i), just an option. I’m sure it’s probably standard on actual M cars tho. It was one of the only options I didn’t care about when I was building, but I ended up buying a dealer spec that was 97% of what I wanted (and the M Diff was already on their spec, so I ended up with it).

I too read about the mismatch issue… and also their mention of using incorrect TIRES as well. But I concluded that stock sized 19 inch option with All-Season tires would be acceptable since I knew there were plenty of forum members running this setup. I haven’t looked in a long time, but I want to say the owners manual actually even says the M Diff is only supposed to be used with summer tires, or something like that. It’s really weird.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by jwong77

I've always been curious about this, am I correct in assuming M Sport Diff is BMW marketing speak for a common LSD?

No it’s not BMW marketing speak for a common LSD.

The BMW HAG215 as optionally fitted (standard in some markets) to the G01 M40 is an active electromechanical regulated locking GHAS limited slip diff, so more advanced than common basic mechanical LSD.

The HAG215 M Sport diff design is based on the HAG225 diff used in a true M F97, but it is not the same part, although both employ the same active electromechanical approach.

Look for option code 2T4 M Sport Differential on the VIN to check the type of diff fitted.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by glennbk

I think they are also standard in Europe.

The BMW M Sport diff option code 2T4 is standard on the G01 M40 in the UK, but afaik it’s not an option on other G01 models here.

It’s an option in the US market on M40 afaik.

[COM40]

Originally Posted by TXGrey

Could be wrong, but don’t believe it’s standard on M-lite vehicles (I.e. M40i), just an option. I’m sure it’s probably standard on actual M cars tho. It was one of the only options I didn’t care about when I was building, but I ended up buying a dealer spec that was 97% of what I wanted (and the M Diff was already on their spec, so I ended up with it).

I too read about the mismatch issue… and also their mention of using incorrect TIRES as well. But I concluded that stock sized 19 inch option with All-Season tires would be acceptable since I knew there were plenty of forum members running this setup. I haven’t looked in a long time, but I want to say the owners manual actually even says the M Diff is only supposed to be used with summer tires, or something like that. It’s really weird.

Apparently it's standard on the M340i.

[jwong77]

Originally Posted by avi66

The BMW M Sport diff option code 2T4 is standard on the G01 M40 in the UK, but afaik it’s not an option on other G01 models here.

It’s an option in the US market on M40 afaik.

Gotcha, sounds like I have the regular open diff.

[glennbk]

Originally Posted by avi66

The BMW M Sport diff option code 2T4 is standard on the G01 M40 in the UK, but afaik it’s not an option on other G01 models here.

It’s an option in the US market on M40 afaik.

Definitely. $1400. In my build, I didn't get it as I'm not driving it hard and the fact it would have delayed things 3 weeks because BMW Spartansburg was out of stock

[glennbk]

Originally Posted by COM40

Apparently it's standard on the M340i.

Might be because they are assembled in Germany and are true sports cars.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by avi66

No it’s not BMW marketing speak for a common LSD.

The BMW HAG215 as optionally fitted (standard in some markets) to the G01 M40 is an active electromechanical regulated locking GHAS limited slip diff, so more advanced than common basic mechanical LSD.

The HAG215 M Sport diff design is based on the HAG225 diff used in a true M F97, but it is not the same part, although both employ the same active electromechanical approach.

Look for option code 2T4 M Sport Differential on the VIN to check the type of diff fitted.

and no matter how technically literate or capable the diff is... the M lite programming on the M40i will not allow it to properly operate like the X3M and do a true drift as the stability control will always try to straighten you out even if its entirely off... in the x3m it's an opposite approach to throw you into a turn and let you slide out of it

[glennbk]

Originally Posted by ASAP

and no matter how technically literate or capable the diff is... the M lite programming on the M40i will not allow it to properly operate like the X3M and do a true drift as the stability control will always try to straighten you out even if its entirely off... in the x3m it's an opposite approach to throw you into a turn and let you slide out of it

Same thoughts. Realized I'm in an SUV...a very capable SUV...but not an M340i. If BMW had produced a 5-series wagon 40i for the USA, I would have bought that instead.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by ASAP

and no matter how technically literate or capable the diff is... the M lite programming on the M40i will not allow it to properly operate like the X3M and do a true drift as the stability control will always try to straighten you out even if its entirely off... in the x3m it's an opposite approach to throw you into a turn and let you slide out of it

I don’t believe I said it did. I just provided information from BMW in reply to a post about was the M Sport diff BMW marketing speak for a common LSD.

I have no desire to drift an SUV lol.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by glennbk

Definitely. $1400. In my build, I didn't get it as I'm not driving it hard and the fact it would have delayed things 3 weeks because BMW Spartansburg was out of stock

It’s more of a traction and performance safety feature on the M40, as I don’t think BMW is trying to cater to a target market that wants to drift a family SUV, or is confused by thinking it’s a sport car.

Here’s what BMW claims, and notice how there’s no mention of F97 X3 M like performance or drifting, shock….

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by avi66

I don’t believe I said it did. I just provided information from BMW in reply to a post about was the M Sport diff BMW marketing speak for a common LSD.

I have no desire to drift an SUV lol.

Right... all I am saying is... it's kind of irrelevant if its the same exact diff if it can't be used the same exact nor similar way.

In the X3M it's a performance setup... in the M40i, its a safety / traction setup.

Also - many people are looking to slide / drift their suv... have you driven an X3M? It bends physics...

https://youtube.com/shorts/gjleTZbX0...Qtu2n1YOqB7Yjr

[avi66]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Right... all I am saying is... it's kind of irrelevant if its the same exact diff if it can't be used the same exact nor similar way.

In the X3M it's a performance setup... in the M40i, its a safety / traction setup.

Also - many people are looking to slide / drift their suv... have you driven an X3M? It bends physics...

https://youtube.com/shorts/gjleTZbX0...Qtu2n1YOqB7Yjr

I didn’t say it was the same exact diff, in fact I said they are different parts but shared the same active electromechanical approach i.e. both use an electric motor and controller linked to the DSC to alter a clutch pack.

Yes, I’ve driven an X3 M Comp, and owned plenty of very fast sports cars, but the F97 or M40 isn’t a very fast sports car, it’s a capable family SUV.

As for drifting, buy a car designed for that if it’s your thing. I can’t say my what do a I want from an SUV list has ever had drifting on it, but something that improves traction performance and offers better handling would be.