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Hmm... I was under the impression, based on other tests than the one linked above, that X3 was bigger in the typical "child seat" measurements for the back seat, than Q5 and XC60... I am hoping I'm right, because I need space. :-)
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Was more thinking about side-by-side comparisons in the same review, with child seats like mine. Yeah. I guess I have to do it myself. /n |
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I think 2018 Macan would have been dead last in combined legroom if included here...
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I looked up the 2018 spec and the combined front and back legroom of Macan (40.9F and 35.6B) is a tiny bit smaller than X3 (40.3F and 36.4B). |
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12-12-2018, 03:07 PM | #73 |
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I can't stand those guys as automotive reviewers...although they generally are informative at some points. With that said, the new Macan is damn good looking. Only thing I wish is they didn't slope the rear roof line so much.
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12-12-2018, 09:31 PM | #75 |
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The '19 Macan has 17.7 cu ft. of cargo space with rear seats up (the only way most people use it) vs. the X3's 28.7 cu ft.. this isn't close. If you need any sort of cargo capacity the Macan is out, and Porsche's pricing has gotten absolutely ridiculous...and even the new '19 Macan S is slower than the M40i for more money... no thanks.
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I avoided Q5, for other reasons, but the back seat of XC60 felt smaller to me too. On the plus side there is the T8 plug-in hybrid. Would have suited my driving style at the moment..
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My 2018 Macan GTS has keyless ignition. It is not a button but rather a protrusion on the left of the steering wheel (of course) that you turn like a key. The remote stays in my pocket.
My wife has an X3 M40i and the rear seats have much more room than my Macan. I'm always apologizing to back seat occupants in my Macan. The cargo floor areas seem very similar but I haven't measured. Probably fewer cubic feet in the Macan due to the raked back hatch. If you care about performance, my wife's M40i has far more low end torque and feels much faster with less turbo lag than my car. It is not subtle either. The M40i is a rocket at takeoff and puts a bigger smile on my face. The Macan however has more refined handling and has a richer looking cockpit IMO. After 8 months I feel that the Macan is overpriced and the M40i is the biggest bargain around. |
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Have you proposed swapping cars with your wife yet? |
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I recently purchased a X3. I did look at the Macan, but never got a chance to test drive it. The Sales people were too busy doing what ever they do there..
Any case I really like the seats in the Macan over my X3. It was more of a bucket hugging seat which just felt really comfortable. The back seat did seem a little bit more cramped.. but I'm basing on memory of just quickly looking over it. We had left the dealership relatively quickly because no service, no money from me. I also remember the console had nearly every button ever possible.. |
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As for swapping, I drive both vehicles (we are retired) and, so I don't have to choose. I've owned several Porsches and I like owning the Macan but wish it had the low end torque of the straight 6 of the M40i. My salesperson says I should have gotten the Macan TurboPP. I have not driven one but that would have been $110K, almost 2X the cost of the M40i. That's kind of crazy for an SUV, don't you think? |
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In terms of performance, I'd say there is definitely more useable, immediate power and torque from the M40i. It's much faster 'out of the hole' than the Macan, which I think is due to a combination of engine tuning, e-throttle tuning and the ZF transmission in the X3 smoking the PDK in the Porsche. The lull / hole / pause off the line in the Macan is well documented on Porsche-specific forums like MacanForums and Rennlist, and is a real day-to-day annoyance. Now that I'm in the M40i there is no more worrying about turning left from a stop in two way traffic and nearly getting T-boned. I also don't miss the follow-up lurch and over-zoom as the Macan engine and transmission unexpectedly spin up to warp 2.... Also, with the 20" RS Spyder wheels and without PASM (adjustable suspension modes), I found the Macan to be unnecessarily harsh around town, vs. my last F80 M3 (on 19's) or my M40i (on 19's). As a lapsed Porschephile (admittedly all manual transmission street and race 911s in the past), I was really disappointed that the 2016 Macan S was such a hot mess, especially at that price point. |
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By the time the refreshed Macan GTS hits the US, the 2020 X3 M40i will be coming out shortly after with the upgraded B58 (similar engine as the 2020 M340i.) and 385 HP.
The beauty of the X3 M40i is that it has the performance, tech and the utility to making it IMO, the best all around SAV in class.
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Back to the Macan vs. X3 - I forgot to mention that the technology in the M40i is current state of the art, while the Porsche technology in the current Macan seems, well, rather dated.
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