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      02-20-2020, 03:28 PM   #1519
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The 2021 3.0 is going to be a seriously quick car. Should be a heads up race with a Mustang GT/Camaro SS auto.

Reminds me of a budget Mercedes GT and not much slower than a base one at that.
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      02-20-2020, 07:54 PM   #1520
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Toyota isn't a lot better but they have their reputation for reliability (which is largely due to re-using old tech) to fall back on and their new interiors at least look last gen as opposed to Nissans that look last decade. The latest Corolla and Camry aren't too shabby for entry level transportation and at least Toyota hasn't gone CVT crazy like Nissan, Subaru, Honda. The Japanese have all largely gone conservative over the last few decades as they have been last to jump on turbocharging, direct injection, advanced automatic gearboxes, etc. It's why I'm driving German cars almost exclusively as I don't care for domestics and most Japanese offerings are dated drivetrains and tech. They have totally left the door open for the Koreans who keep chipping away at their market shares.
I don't really think Toyota is targeting enthusiasts. It's an appliance to get from a to b. Most people just want it to be cheap, reliable and get decent gas mileage. They don't know or care about turbos or CVT vs DCT.

I actually got a 2020 Corolla as a rental in CA for like 2 weeks. I liked the little car so much ended up buying one when I got home. Wanted another car as the girlfriend doesn't like to drive the F350 or the C7 and honestly I don't like driving the F350 around town either and I only take out the C7 on nice days. Was looking at Accords also but just ended up getting a 2020 Corolla, whatever the basic package is, only has wheels and keyless entry.

Honestly for like 18k new I think it's a great little car if you're not an enthusiast. I mean it has more features than I would have expected in a basic Corolla. Apple carplay, adaptive cruise, bsm, lane keep assist, led headlights (freaking most brands still put halogen lights on their entry level cars). Has enough power for the average person and gets 30+ mpg with no turbos or anything like that to worry about. I also find the new interior to actually look pretty good, I actually like it more than the Camry interior.

Saw like 3 supras at the track this weekend, I think the design is growing on me. I think I would take the supra over the Z4.
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      02-21-2020, 02:45 AM   #1521
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N55 does not sound better than an N54.

Also the n54 had forged internals from the beginning so BMW actually took a step back with the original n55s.
XuTV already said it, but the N55 is widely known to sound better than the N54 and S55 for the reasons he mentioned.

As far as the forged crank, it only matters if you’re making crazy horsepower through mods, and you can always swap one in from a newer N55. The only reason to really pick an N54 over an N55 is if you’re doing some kind of bonkers 800hp build, although nowadays even that isn’t certain. The oil distribution of the N55 is better.

As far as the Supra is concerned, I’ve now seen 5 of them, and I just think it’s overwrought. It’s like they threw in a million creases, folds and (fake) vents in order to confuse the mind enough not to focus on a single bad element. I’d still rather buy a used Cayman, since we’re not even getting a real Toyota’s reliability.
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I was at one of the local Toyota dealers this weekend having my Tacoma serviced, and I counted 10 Supras on the lot. This particular dealer was insanely busy with service appoints and shoppers that day, but even with that much showroom traffic, I didn't notice a single person interested in any of the Supras other than myself.
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I was at one of the local Toyota dealers this weekend having my Tacoma serviced, and I counted 10 Supras on the lot. This particular dealer was insanely busy with service appoints and shoppers that day, but even with that much showroom traffic, I didn't notice a single person interested in any of the Supras other than myself.
Are they still trying to get MSRP+? I can't wait to see how they handle the 385hp and 335hp versions sitting on the lot next to each other.
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Are they still trying to get MSRP+? I can't wait to see how they handle the 385hp and 335hp versions sitting on the lot next to each other.
I'm already starting to see discounts of 5-7% here in the Bay area
The car I went to see in person only to realize how fast&furious the fake vents are was marked up $15k
The same white Supra premium is now $4500 off
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