[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Moupe

Maybe these new crossover performance models will spell the death of many a sports car since these are essentially "all-in-one" vehicles.

I'm not a fan of these at all but I understand the appeal to the American market. Americans just don't care for estates/tourings (wagons).

You’re forgetting the Chinese market. But, you are correct about estates/touring. Maybe it could be that people who grew up in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s equate wagons with those from the big three. And they used to ride in those very same ones, and hated it. And anything that remotely reminds them of their “torturous” ordeal riding in a American station wagon.

[RichM50d]

Do BMW sell the Touring version of the M550i in the US? We don’t get either version here, yet.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by DML

911 turbo S next on my agenda, never assume.

Well if your profile is correct then you're driving one now aren't you? Also, just because a car is in your agenda doesn't mean you bought it already. Never assume.

[DML]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Well if your profile is correct then you're driving one now aren't you? Also, just because a car is in your agenda doesn't mean you bought it already. Never assume.

I have a profile? Make nice dude, this forum has been slowly slipping into hate for quite sometime, relax and enjoy the ride

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by DML

I have a profile? Make nice dude, this forum has been slowly slipping into hate for quite sometime, relax and enjoy the ride

I'm good, you need to relax, that sarcastic never assume comment wasn't necessary really.

[TN_3]

Originally Posted by DCG

I was able to make out the Rear Tire Size on the X3 M / X4 M.

2019 BMW X4 M / X3 M Prototypes - TIRES Sizes

TIRES
Brand: Michelin
Model: PILOT SPORT 4S
Front Size: 255/40 ZR 21
Rear Size: 265/40 ZR 21

Front Tire Width: 255 Millimeters = 10.0394" Inches
Rear Tire Width: 265 Millimeters = 10.4331" Inches

They NEED to be Wider!

You sure that couldn't be a 285 on the rear? The M40i is 245/275...no way the M is narrower...

[DCG]

Originally Posted by TN_3

You sure that couldn't be a 285 on the rear? The M40i is 245/275...no way the M is narrower...

Don't forget these test vehicles are Prototypes.

No wonder why they look narrow, because they are. They NEED to be Wider! Photos don't lie!

"Never believe anything you hear or read, only believe half of what you see."

2019 BMW X4 M / X3 M Prototypes - TIRES Sizes

TIRES
Brand: Michelin
Model: PILOT SPORT 4S
Front Tire Size: 255/40 ZR 21

Front Tire Width: 255 Millimeters = 10.0394" Inches

[DCG]

Originally Posted by auggiem3

Rear tires look skinny for an xM car...

Originally Posted by TN_3

You sure that couldn't be a 285 on the rear? The M40i is 245/275...no way the M is narrower...

Don't forget these test vehicles are Prototypes.

Its a (6) not an 8. No wonder why they look narrow, because they are. They NEED to be Wider! Photos don't lie!

"Never believe anything you hear or read, only believe half of what you see."


2019 BMW X4 M / X3 M Prototypes - TIRES Sizes

TIRES
Brand: Michelin
Model: PILOT SPORT 4S
Rear Tire Size: 265/40 ZR 21

Rear Tire Width: 265 Millimeters = 10.4331" Inches

[DCG]

Originally Posted by auggiem3

Rear tires look skinny for an xM car...

Originally Posted by B777flyboy

Agreed. Was hoping it would be more reminiscent of x5 stance in a smaller version.

It would be nice is some aggressive bulging Fender Flares to accommodate hopefully wider production wheels.

It just dawned on me why they're perhaps showing the prototype with narrower wheels. It's because that they may be adding some nice bulging wheel arches to accommodate wider wheels. And are just doing that so they don't fully disclose the exterior design. That is a possibility.

[Aaaaaaaaa]

Originally Posted by DCG

It would be nice is some aggressive Bulging Wheel Arches to accommodate hopefully wider production wheels.

Something else would be bulging if that happened

[TN_3]

Originally Posted by DCG

It would be nice is some aggressive Bulging Wheel Arches to accommodate hopefully wider production wheels.

It just dawned on me why they're perhaps showing the prototype with narrower wheels. It's because that they may be adding some nice bulging wheel arches to accommodate wider wheels. And are just doing that so they don't fully disclose the exterior design. That is a possibility.

Quite possibly...would correlate with Palbay photos showing tape markers on the fenders...indicating possible testing of wider wheel arches.

See Instagram post below...

https://twitter.com/palbay/status/10...561895937?s=21

[DCG]

Originally Posted by TN_3

Quite possibly...would correlate with Palbay photos showing tape markers on the fenders...indicating possible testing of wider wheel arches.

See Instagram post below...

https://twitter.com/palbay/status/10...561895937?s=21

I found these photos. Thanks for sending me a PM.

I do like these X5 M rims a little better than what their showing, their more simple and clean looking. Still like the M4's Competition and CS Rims way better!

[Mii]

Originally Posted by DCG

TIRES
Brand: Michelin
Model: PILOT SPORT 4S
Front Size: 255/40 ZR 21
Rear Size: 265/40 ZR 21

Front Tire Width: 255 Millimeters = 10.0394" Inches
Rear Tire Width: 265 Millimeters = 10.4331" Inches

They NEED to be Wider!

265 is front tire size for Porsche Macan, Mercedes GLC AMG63 just to name a few. BMW needs to up its game, 265 front and 295 rear. Hopefully this is not design issue as several new generation BMW started going with wider track which prevented using wider tires with deeper/negative offset wheels.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by Mii

265 is front tire size for Porsche Macan, Mercedes GLC AMG63 just to name a few. BMW needs to up its game, 265 front and 295 rear. Hopefully this is not design issue as several new generation BMW started going with wider track which prevented using wider tires with deeper/negative offset wheels.

Purely aesthetics is driving this belief; no?

[GuyOh]

can somebody now do a render of what the final production will look like with out the camo paint?

[tcw495]

Sorry if this has been answered, but new to this forum.

Are any performance numbers out for the X3m (or estimates)? Any idea on pricing? I assume a fully loaded one has to come in somewhere under $100k USD, because then you're getting into X5M pricing.

[Bimar]

Originally Posted by DCG

YES, finally

ABOUT TIME BMW M Division!!!

Have to say the X4 rear looks good with camouflage...no pun intended.

[Max Well]

Originally Posted by tcw495

Sorry if this has been answered, but new to this forum. Are any performance numbers out for the X3m (or estimates)?...

Last November I started thinking about the X3M’s performance potential [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1444613 ]. It’s been difficult to make estimates because so many key variables are still unknown (HP, torque, Cd, frontal area, and weight as examples). But some guesses were made (490 HP, 644Nm, Cd 0.345, Area 2.64, weight 1905 kg) and plugged into my DIY simulation (certainly not professional software, but it has captured a number of vehicle curves reasonably well over the past few years). In this rough simulation, it showed a ¼ mile of 12.34s @118.4 mph and a top speed of 174.8 mph. With a Wt/HP of 8.57, it would seem 0-60 in 3.7s wouldn’t be out of the question.

It’s going to be interesting to see how BMW positions the X3M. With lighter weight (c/w X5/6Ms), it has a chance to bring some amazing performance if they allow it.

[Audio Fan]

Originally Posted by Max Well

Last November I started thinking about the X3M’s performance potential [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1444613 ]. It’s been difficult to make estimates because so many key variables are still unknown (HP, torque, Cd, frontal area, and weight as examples). But some guesses were made (490 HP, 644Nm, Cd 0.345, Area 2.64, weight 1905 kg) and plugged into my DIY simulation (certainly not professional software, but it has captured a number of vehicle curves reasonably well over the past few years). In this rough simulation, it showed a ¼ mile of 12.34s @118.4 mph and a top speed of 174.8 mph. With a Wt/HP of 8.57, it would seem 0-60 in 3.7s wouldn’t be out of the question.

It’s going to be interesting to see how BMW positions the X3M. With lighter weight (c/w X5/6Ms), it has a chance to bring some amazing performance if they allow it.

Based on the latest motortrend review of all of the X3/4 M competitors, these numbers won't be good enough.

[DCG]

This beautiful all-black Porsche McCan is rocking 295's in the rear. Pure bad ass!

TIRES
Brand: Perelli
Model: Scorpion VERDE All Season
Rear Tire Size: 295/40 R 20

[Joe S]

Originally Posted by PhrogFixer01

That's my biggest fear! Not sure if I'm willing to give up those two cylinders. I know the X3M will be lighter and powered accordingly but AMG stuffed a TT V8 in the GLC63... just sayin...

The medium SUV's have come along way. My GLC63 S Coupe is faster than a c63s (0-100km/hr in 3.8secs) and faster than a c63 around the nurburgring (but not the c63s)

[ContactPatch]

Originally Posted by DCG

This beautiful all-black Porsche McCan is rocking 295's in the rear. Pure bad ass!

TIRES
Brand: Perelli
Model: Scorpion VERDE All Season
Rear Tire Size: 295/40 R 20

This Macan S has Cooper 305's and the owner is going to Nitto 315's, pretty
crazy. Not sure how he is going to fit them. This is Super Bad Ass!