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      03-10-2020, 02:04 PM   #67
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It does seem that range limitation is what killed it.
With the lack of an integrated charging network and trip planner, dealers told BMW it wouldn't sell stateside.

https://www.autonews.com/sales/finic...s-crossover-ev
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It does seem that range limitation is what killed it.
With the lack of an integrated charging network and trip planner, dealers told BMW it wouldn't sell stateside.

https://www.autonews.com/sales/finic...s-crossover-ev
BMW completely dropped the ball on battery development, now they're dealing with a truly harsh reality.
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      03-10-2020, 02:39 PM   #69
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It does seem that range limitation is what killed it.
With the lack of an integrated charging network and trip planner, dealers told BMW it wouldn't sell stateside.

https://www.autonews.com/sales/finic...s-crossover-ev
I'm glad BMW NA listened to it's dealers

My Tesla has an EPA estimated range of 299 miles. And you could probably get that! But realistically, I've taken a few ~225mi one-way trips, and it would be pushing things not to stop for a charge. If you're going >60mph, and face any kind of headwind, or have temps below 10C, your range is going to take a hit.

If the iX3 was really going to have an EPA range of 240-250mi, your real-world range would certainly be <200 miles, which looks pretty bad against the Model Y.

I would hate to have to find a slow-ass CCS charger on a road trip with the iX3. I take just a few road trips a year, but the Tesla Supercharger network makes life easy. I wouldn't need the stress of finding a CCS charger every 150 miles in an iX3.
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I'm glad BMW NA listened to it's dealers

My Tesla has an EPA estimated range of 299 miles. And you could probably get that! But realistically, I've taken a few ~225mi one-way trips, and it would be pushing things not to stop for a charge. If you're going >60mph, and face any kind of headwind, or have temps below 10C, your range is going to take a hit.

If the iX3 was really going to have an EPA range of 240-250mi, your real-world range would certainly be <200 miles, which looks pretty bad against the Model Y.

I would hate to have to find a slow-ass CCS charger on a road trip with the iX3. I take just a few road trips a year, but the Tesla Supercharger network makes life easy. I wouldn't need the stress of finding a CCS charger every 150 miles in an iX3.
Tesla Superchargers are the only really viable charging network.

CHAdeMO is much more established vs CCS, but neither compare to Tesla Superchargers.
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      03-10-2020, 04:28 PM   #71
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iX3 is a re-purposed G01 chassis, built in China.

iNext is more(?) dedicated as a BEV. I say that with a ? because the iNext is very similar to an i4, which is based on an ICE platform (G26).
I think you're right, and the concept has more i3 type styling... I just can't keep up.... An electric X3 would've been perfect for my wife's next car. Oh well...
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this is a good call from BMW, a modded ICE chassis turned EV car was never going to be much competition to model Y. bmw doesn't need another i3 or i8 debacle when it comes to releasing BEVs in the US, it needs a car that can make people think twice when deciding between a BMW BEV and a Tesla. iX3 is simply not that car, at best it'll fare as good as the EQC, nobody even bothers with it.
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Omg so dumb. This car should be killer awesome for bmw in usa. Will they sell the i4 elsewhere too? Bmw thought you were all about electrics now, what happened? Grow up
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Proof this company really doesn't understand the market, like many of their decisions over the last few years.
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Tesla Model Y is going to kill it.

BMW is not looking very wise at this point.
Or perhaps wise not to bring the iX3 here to avoid the headlines of another Tesla beating BMW at its own game.
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[BMW] needs a car that can make people think twice when deciding between a BMW BEV and a Tesla.
If BMW (or any manufacturer) brings a BEV to market; the product needs to win over people whom are indifferent to the powertrain, and perhaps never considered a BEV until they walked into the dealer. In other words, it has to be a better choice than all the other options on the lot. To the vast-majority of buyers; BEVs aren't just competing against BEVs... They're competing against everything available.

In this way specifically, I think BEVs produced by legacy manufacturers have a more difficult time winning shoppers' "dollars available to buy." The iX3 has to compete against the X3 only feet away. When you're at a Tesla dealer, you're in a BEV bubble... you likely had some awareness of BEVs before you ever talked to a Tesla salesperson... and that Tesla salesperson has an absolute EV bias. Take it from a career salesperson, selling a single technology is a much easier sales pitch. The BMW salesperson has to demonstrate the advantages and disadvantages of both platforms. Much tougher for the not only the salesperson, but the BEV.
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Or perhaps wise not to bring the iX3 here to avoid the headlines of another Tesla beating BMW at its own game.
BMW is not serious enough, and this shows it loud and clear.

Batteries are the name of the EV game, and BMW is currently smack behind the eight ball.
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Guys, dont get discouraged. i4 and iNext will both be the real deal. iX3 was not a serious EV effort, it was to comply with the strict european emission standards.
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Proof this company really doesn't understand the market, like many of their decisions over the last few years.
I think that's why they replaced their chief executive last year.

They are clearly 3-5 years behind on battery technology and supply. Fortunately BMW have lots of cash, and therefore time to catch up.
Hopefully this doesn't turn into another RIM / Blackberry situation where they come out with a series of duds due to lack of market insight and inaction.
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Well I'm disappointed

This would have been the replacement for my f25.
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Well I'm disappointed

This would have been the replacement for my f25.
A seriously lost opportunity for BMW.
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Well I'm disappointed

This would have been the replacement for my f25.
A seriously lost opportunity for BMW.
American EV fanboys might view this as "a seriously lost opportunity" for themselves, but there's zero loss for BMW if they can sell all they can make in other parts of the world.
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