[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by subliminalaudio

Spied or leaked ??

Officially Leaked to Bimmerpost (by BMW AG?) it sure appears.

The second or third photo shows mysteriously shows a second car ..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Looks like they copied every interior ///M part from the F90 M5 and jus stuck in this new SUV. Lame! Can't they have bespoke parts for every different M car?

In a word ... No.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Sharp_Cai

wonder if the price tag will be over 80k(well equipped). I would rather to drive a M3 if it has the same price.

You might try looking at the pricing of the X5M vs the M5 for an idea ...

Basically they seem to run the same price.

Since a well equipped F80 is $80k the F97 will be as well. Keep in mind that the X3M will come out next year with the new S58 while the M3 will end production this summer. It's almost like they don't want people cross-shopping their own two models. ..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by DCG

I like to see the exterior and rims be more aggressive, and it needs M4 Seats! Positives; is that the navigation screen is larger, and there is NO convoluted unnecessary top-heavy panoramic moonroof.

I would still like to see the shift lever be more contoured/ergonomic, the human hand is not square.

Awaiting an X4M, get on it BMW M Division!!!

Is the human hand round, like an Idrive knob?

Dammit they better get that outta there then.

You might as well check Out the x4 40i for now as Your X4M will be awhile. . If you are lucky BMW will bring it out before EOP of the M4 in 2020.

[DCG]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Is the human hand round, like an Idrive knob?

It's round because it works. Why have doorknobs been round/circular for hundreds of years? Because they work for the human hand!

And I'm gonna go on the record, we DON'T want plastic buttons on top of the shift knob. I had an old Volvo stick shift that had a fifth gear button on it and it failed. Sometimes fifth gear would not engage once you pressed the button, not acceptable. Also if you rest your hand on it as I'm used to doing you may unknowingly engage something that you don't want and that could cause an accident, not good. Less is more!

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

You might try looking at the pricing of the X5M vs the M5 for an idea ...

Basically they seem to run the same price.

Since a well equipped F80 is $80k the F97 will be as well. Keep in mind that the X3M will come out next year with the new S58 while the M3 will end production this summer. It's almost like they don't want people cross-shopping their own two models. ..

It's basically competing with the GLC63 and Macan Turbo, and I agree, will probably slot in between the two, closer to the GLC63. Well optioned at $80k sounds about right.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by DCG

It's round because it works. Why have doorknobs been round/circular for hundreds of years? Because they work for the human hand!

And I'm gonna go on the record, we DON'T want plastic buttons on top of the shift knob. I had an old Volvo stick shift that had a fifth gear button on it and it failed. Sometimes fifth gear would not engage once you pressed the button, not acceptable. Less is more!

No, they don't work well at all. They're actually a terrible design for human hands. They're honestly only popular here in 'Murica.

https://www.popsci.com/article/techn...doorknobs-good

[DCG]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

No, they don't work well at all. They're actually a terrible design for human hands. They're honestly only popular here in 'Murica.

https://www.popsci.com/article/techn...doorknobs-good

Geez, where did you find that article? LOL

I disagree, I still like the iDrive concept. But things can always be improved.

Yes I grew up with antiques and I am old-school yet new-school as well. Somethings back in the day are just classic and work better. But somethings need upgrading going into the future, I'm all about ergonomics and tactile feel.

I DON'T want plastic buttons on top of a oversized rectangular shift knob. I had an old Volvo stick shift which had a fifth gear button on it and it failed. Sometimes fifth gear would NOT engage once you pressed the button, not acceptable. Also if you or your significant other rests their hand on it as I'm used to doing, you may unknowingly engage something that you don't want or intend and that could cause an accident, not good. Less is more!

Functionality and Ergonomics is king!

I'm done with this discussion.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by DCG

Geez, where did you find that article? LOL

I disagree, I still like the iDrive concept. But things can always be improved.

Yes I grew up with antiques and I am old-school and new-school as well. Somethings back in the day are just classic and work better. But somethings need upgrading going into the future, I'm all about ergonomics and tactile feel.

I DON'T want plastic buttons on top of a rectangular shift knob. I had an old Volvo stick shift which had a fifth gear button on it and it failed. Sometimes fifth gear would NOT engage once you pressed the button, not acceptable. Also if you or your significant other rests their hand on it as I'm used to doing, you may unknowingly engage something that you don't want or intend and that could cause an accident, not good. Less is more!

Functionality and Ergonomics is king!

I'm done with this discussion.

In a car, sure, it's not the same. I think the current ergonomic set up works extremely well, personally.

As for the article, there are a million of them. The round doorknob persists solely because it's what has always been done here in the states.

[firedown31]

Originally Posted by chris.praeger

I like the new X3 a lot in General and the M Modell in Special.
It is definetly the most beautiful X3 BMW has ever build.
We have to wait until the final Version is out.
But I think you don't Need M seats for a proper M car.

Everyone know knows a true M car has to have M side mirrors, otherwise it's not a M car

/s it's a joke

[Saphirschwarz]

Originally Posted by protecon

Think I'd prefer one without the Hitler moustache.

[Lancelot]

Well perhaps this is what i need to make both my wife and I happy with a car.

[Penguino]

Why this and not an X3 M40?

[DeeKay]

Wow the I drive display looks massive in these pictures - is it G30 5-Series size?

[squeaky]

Originally Posted by DANK221

They are not an "option" on the X5M/X6M... they cheaped out on M seats for the 1m then the M2 and now an X3M... Porsche doesn't cheap out on sport seats for their performance models. Just a bit frustrating.

No, Porsche doesn't cheap out . . . they just charge you $10,000 more the car.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by squeaky

No, Porsche doesn't cheap out . . . they just charge you $10,000 more the car.

The AMG performance seats are not overly expensive($2,500).

The new M2 Competition will offer M-sport seats as an option, over standard M2 seats.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by Kief

Exactly...folks act like it's going to be released next month in NYC :

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by DANK221

They are not an "option" on the X5M/X6M... they cheaped out on M seats for the 1m then the M2 and now an X3M... Porsche doesn't cheap out on sport seats for their performance models. Just a bit frustrating.

They are optional in europe about 2,000 euros.

Its not standard equipment.

[ 09 ] M multifunctional seats in full leather with integrated headrests offer perfect lateral support, even during very dynamic driving.

Taken from european catalogue. Also if you configure an x5m on the computer www.bmw.de you can see it (on my mobile now so cant do it now).

https://www.bmw.se/content/dam/bmw/m...6789539465.pdf

[crashnbrn55]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Agreed




Exactly a year till you can even place your order, gixxerboy63 taking my 16' X4 M40i for the next few months

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by Lorde

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They are optional in europe about 2,000 euros.

Its not standard equipment.

[ 09 ] M multifunctional seats in full leather with integrated headrests offer perfect lateral support, even during very dynamic driving.

Taken from european catalogue. Also if you configure an x5m on the computer www.bmw.de you can see it (on my mobile now so cant do it now).

https://www.bmw.se/content/dam/bmw/m...6789539465.pdf

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by DCG

It's round because it works. Why have doorknobs been round/circular for hundreds of years? Because they work for the human hand!

And I'm gonna go on the record, we DON'T want plastic buttons on top of the shift knob. I had an old Volvo stick shift that had a fifth gear button on it and it failed. Sometimes fifth gear would not engage once you pressed the button, not acceptable. Also if you rest your hand on it as I'm used to doing you may unknowingly engage something that you don't want and that could cause an accident, not good. Less is more!

They are better positioned on the new M5 as they are within easy reach to set.
Now that you can do it without taking your eyes from the view of the road.
You either use the steering wheel paddles or shift down and across to D, which is more favourable against traffic when leaving and entering Munich.
The quality is quite superb with a nice damping motion on the press.

[DCG]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

They are better positioned on the new M5 as they are within easy reach to set.
Now that you can do it without taking your eyes from the view of the road.
You either use the steering wheel paddles or shift down and across to D, which is more favourable against traffic when leaving and entering Munich.
The quality is quite superb with a nice damping motion on the press.

Thanks for the heads up on the quality. It's an interesting concept especially while in traffic. But I warn everybody that is reading this, these are those little electronic things that fail. And this is NOT a place where you want to have them fail.

Question, what if it gets stuck in a certain gear while driving due to the sensitive electronics?

I've had this on an old Volvo DL stick shift. The 5th gear was only in button mode on the top of the stick shift, and after years it stopped working and it couldn't be fixed. It would only work intermittently on the highway, not good.

Obviously new electronics and technology is for the most part better. Somethings I just don't trust like the electric emergency parking brake. Which I did try for the first time in the 2018 model and was pleased, still would prefer a manual version.

Sorry guys I'm just having bad flashbacks of things such as niggly electronics not working correctly. Learned from experience.

Don't get me started on how you had to put the old Volvo stick shift into reverse, it was so absurd. You had to pull up a lower lever on the stick with your middle and ring fingers and then put it into first gear position. Half-ass backwards!