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      03-26-2021, 07:22 AM   #67
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No luck, called my local dealer again today (Charlotte; Hendrick BMW) and was told that there's no software update for my car and I even said I can pay for it and still was told there's simply no update... Maybe it's because my local dealer is crappy... Is there a place to check software version? Could someone tell me what the new version is? That way maybe I can directly contact an SA just provide the concrete exact thing I am looking for.

Unfortunately Hendrick is the only dealer in Charlotte... the nearest BMW dealer that's not Hendrick is almost 2 hours away...
I got the update from Hendrick Northlake. I asked for a Nav update and they mentioned there was a full update they could do. I was even able to get a loaner since it can be an all day process. At least I'm assuming I got the aforementioned update.
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Max well is your feedback on the istep update the same as the OP with respect to suspension comfort?
Not as dramatic but seems to be somewhat improved. Very subjective though and could just be placebo effect. Here were some comments I shared in that other thread:

https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=19
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=22
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=24

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... An istep update is akin to reformatting a computer - hence why all of the settings are reset to factory default. It requires the car to be put on a battery charger, along with other procedures, and there is a risk of bricking the car just like any other piece of technology. Hence, most dealers will be hesitant to do this on a whim even if you are willing to pay. If you have an established relationship with your SA and have a good service department, you have a chance of getting it done. However, this isn't something you can just walk in and ask for with success.
As many of the ISTA/P updates contain what BMW must ascertain as important improvements to their total vehicle systems’ code, it’s tough for me to believe that BMW Dealerships would be scared or worried about providing them for fear of an operating system failure. Seems that we as consumers owning current model line vehicles would want (and have a right to) the most current and improved operating system for our vehicles, and I don’t consider it a frivolous request. Understandably, as technology improves one would not expect BMW to keep updating older model lines, just as many digital product companies have a defined span during which updates to firmware and software are provided. I’d be on the phone with BMW NA if I wanted to pay for an approved/sanctioned BMW ISTA update and it was refused by a Dealership. Why produce an important update if it’s so dangerous that Svc Ctrs are hesitant to do the install? I can foresee some issues in the future with OTA ISTA updates being problematic, but hopefully one can obtain a download of them OTA then have the option of manually installing when one can attach a trickle charger if that’s an important aspect. Aren’t similar system updates by Tesla already being done OTA and without Dealer assistance?

Edit: to be clear so there aren't any misconceptions, I'm referencing paying for non-safety-related ISTA updates (BMW already provides those involving safety for free). I am not getting into the debate as to whether all updates (even non-safety-related) should or shouldn't be provided for free. Just indicating IMO if I own a current model line BMW, and a non-safety-related ISTA update is available, that I should have the ability to pay to have it installed and not be bound to the whims of a Dealership denying such.

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Not as dramatic but seems to be somewhat improved. Very subjective though and could just be placebo effect. Here were some comments I shared in that other thread:

https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=19
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=22
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=24


As many of the ISTA/P updates contain what BMW must ascertain as important improvements to their total vehicle systemsí code, itís tough for me to believe that BMW Dealerships would be scared or worried about providing them for fear of an operating system failure. Seems that we as consumers owning current model line vehicles would want (and have a right to) the most current and improved operating system for our vehicles, and I donít consider it a frivolous request. Understandably, as technology improves one would not expect BMW to keep updating older model lines, just as many digital product companies have a defined span during which updates to firmware and software are provided. Iíd be on the phone with BMW NA if I wanted to pay for an approved/sanctioned BMW ISTA update and it was refused by a Dealership. Why produce an important update if itís so dangerous that Svc Ctrs are hesitant to do the install? I can foresee some issues in the future with OTA ISTA updates being problematic, but hopefully one can obtain a download of them OTA then have the option of manually installing when one can attach a trickle charger if thatís an important aspect. Arenít similar system updates by Tesla already being done OTA and without Dealer assistance?

Edit: to be clear so there aren't any misconceptions, I'm referencing paying for non-safety-related ISTA updates (BMW already provides those involving safety for free). I am not getting into the debate as to whether all updates (even non-safety-related) should or shouldn't be provided for free. Just indicating IMO if I own a current model line BMW, and a non-safety-related ISTA update is available, that I should have the ability to pay to have it installed and not be bound to the whims of a Dealership denying such.
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Max well is your feedback on the istep update the same as the OP with respect to suspension comfort?
Not as dramatic but seems to be somewhat improved. Very subjective though and could just be placebo effect. Here were some comments I shared in that other thread:

https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...8;postcount=19
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...8;postcount=22
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...8;postcount=24

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... An istep update is akin to reformatting a computer - hence why all of the settings are reset to factory default. It requires the car to be put on a battery charger, along with other procedures, and there is a risk of bricking the car just like any other piece of technology. Hence, most dealers will be hesitant to do this on a whim even if you are willing to pay. If you have an established relationship with your SA and have a good service department, you have a chance of getting it done. However, this isn't something you can just walk in and ask for with success.
As many of the ISTA/P updates contain what BMW must ascertain as important improvements to their total vehicle systems' code, it's tough for me to believe that BMW Dealerships would be scared or worried about providing them for fear of an operating system failure. Seems that we as consumers owning current model line vehicles would want (and have a right to) the most current and improved operating system for our vehicles, and I don't consider it a frivolous request. Understandably, as technology improves one would not expect BMW to keep updating older model lines, just as many digital product companies have a defined span during which updates to firmware and software are provided. I'd be on the phone with BMW NA if I wanted to pay for an approved/sanctioned BMW ISTA update and it was refused by a Dealership. Why produce an important update if it's so dangerous that Svc Ctrs are hesitant to do the install? I can foresee some issues in the future with OTA ISTA updates being problematic, but hopefully one can obtain a download of them OTA then have the option of manually installing when one can attach a trickle charger if that's an important aspect. Aren't similar system updates by Tesla already being done OTA and without Dealer assistance?

Edit: to be clear so there aren't any misconceptions, I'm referencing paying for non-safety-related ISTA updates (BMW already provides those involving safety for free). I am not getting into the debate as to whether all updates (even non-safety-related) should or shouldn't be provided for free. Just indicating IMO if I own a current model line BMW, and a non-safety-related ISTA update is available, that I should have the ability to pay to have it installed and not be bound to the whims of a Dealership denying such.
I'm not debating that dealerships SHOULD do the update, paid or unpaid, but in my experience following this process on the F80s it is difficult, and well documented amongst many BMW models. Most dealers don't give a damn about giving current owners the best possible experience, it's a hassle for them. People need to have realistic expectations.
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I'm not debating that dealerships SHOULD do the update, paid or unpaid, but in my experience following this process on the F80s it is difficult, and well documented amongst many BMW models. Most dealers don't give a damn about giving current owners the best possible experience, it's a hassle for them. People need to have realistic expectations.
Then report the Dealership to BMW NA.

Having briefly reviewed the issues you discuss on different sub-Forums spanning 10 years, seems many of the problems resulted from wanting them for free or if the vehicle was tuned or modified against warranty provisions, and being denied when different scenarios were raised which didn't pass the bar.

My research was cursory so I could be wrong on that perception, but really, this is no different than asking to pay for an oil service. Someone owns a BMW. That BMW has a BMW-sanctioned firmware/software update available which provides what BMW's Engineers deem as important improvements to their vehicles' systems-wide code. Individual goes to BMW Dealership's Svc Ctr and states here is my check/credit card/cash. Do it.

If the SA gives a hassle, speak to the Chief Technician, if he/she gives a hassle, speak to the Svc Manager. If the Svc Manager gives a hassle, speak to the General Mgr. If the Gen Mgr gives a hassle, speak to BMW NA and ask why they even came out with the update if someone can't purchase it, and report the Dealership to them.

Still suspect most of the issues you describe surround those wanting it for free or with confounding variables. This isn't difficult to accomplish.
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Just an FYI to everyone getting this update. If you are coded, it will reset your coding.

That being said, it's far far smoother coming to a stop and at start. The lane keeping tech also works A LOT better.
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Just an FYI to everyone getting this update. If you are coded, it will reset your coding.

That being said, it's far far smoother coming to a stop and at start. The lane keeping tech also works A LOT better.
Any real difference in ride quality?
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My 2020 was an early build, 15 Oct 19, with Factory 1 Level (19-07-553) software.

It was a demo that I got 1 year after delivery (5 Dec 20). From day 1, I had all kind of glitches that had no relation between each other as well as the Tilt Down Mirror not coming back no matter you try except using the joystick. Also the Remote Service only work 3 times out of 100 tried.

I had the car in twice in for the mirror problem and like magic they could not replicate the problem. The second time, I try it in the shop and it work... I left the shop, drove around the building, park and went in the see my sales men. When I left put the car in reverse, mirror go down, put in in drive and the fuchen mirror stay down. Drove back to the shop and got the shop foremen out. After spending 20 minutes in the car trying to figure out what was wrong, he gave up. I told him that there was something wrong with the software. He said no unless I had an Over the Air Update... Really SP15 with 2019 software!!!

So I book another visit and told them to have BMW America authorized a Software Update because I had enough of this crap.

So I took the car in yesterday and today I got a call that everything is working. They replace the right mirror (not sure about that) and update the software. Sure enough everything is working. So far I notice 4 different thing with this update.
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JJ 911SC - What's different about the fuel level indicator... ?

Ooops, I meant to say the temperature level indicator.


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OK, its a long one but it might help...

My 2020 was an early build, 15 Oct 19, with Factory 1 Level (19-07-553) software.

It was a demo that I got 1 year after delivery (5 Dec 20). From day 1, I had all kind of glitches that had no relation between each other as well as the Tilt Down Mirror not coming back no matter you try except using the joystick. Also the Remote Service only work 3 times out of 100 tried.

I had the car in twice in for the mirror problem and like magic they could not replicate the problem. The second time, I try it in the shop and it work... I left the shop, drove around the building, park and went in the see my sales men. When I left put the car in reverse, mirror go down, put in in drive and the fuchen mirror stay down. Drove back to the shop and got the shop foremen out. After spending 20 minutes in the car trying to figure out what was wrong, he gave up. I told him that there was something wrong with the software. He said no unless I had an Over the Air Update... Really SP15 with 2019 software!!!

So I book another visit and told them to have BMW America authorized a Software Update because I had enough of this crap.

So I took the car in yesterday and today I got a call that everything is working. They replace the right mirror (not sure about that) and update the software. Sure enough everything is working. So far I notice 4 different thing with this update.
Do you have an x3m? You have a 2020 and ID7?
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Do you have an x3m? You have a 2020 and ID7?
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JJ 911SC - What's different about the fuel level indicator... ?

Ooops, I meant to say the temperature level indicator.


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Thatís correct




I donít offer this as a service. If you slip your SA some cash and make up a story about how nav or CarPlay doesnít work, they can usually get the update done on book time.



Not automatically but now allows you to code in full screen with BimmerCode.
So only when you update from bmw, you can code in full screen Apple CarPlay?
Or did BimmerCode release an update to be able to do so?
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Just got home from updating the software. No placebo effect. The transmission and suspension were definitely tweaked for the better. Shift points in all three settings are adjusted and just feel like shifts are where they should be now. Felt like they were slightly off before. Shifts themselves also feel smoother. In slow speed situations the trans would sometimes feel bogged down but that's now gone. I also experienced a weird clunk sound when reversing...also gone. The dampening also feels improved to me in all three settings. Not a huge difference but again noticeably better. The thuds I would feel over choppy roads appear minimized. The out of pocket expense was worth it in my view. Very pleased.
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Did you do the update at a dealer? If so was the cost fixed or did the dealer charge for 8 hours at like $160-180/hour?

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Just got home from updating the software. No placebo effect. The transmission and suspension were definitely tweaked for the better. Shift points in all three settings are adjusted and just feel like shifts are where they should be now. Felt like they were slightly off before. Shifts themselves also feel smoother. In slow speed situations the trans would sometimes feel bogged down but that's now gone. I also experienced a weird clunk sound when reversing...also gone. The dampening also feels improved to me in all three settings. Not a huge difference but again noticeably better. The thuds I would feel over choppy roads appear minimized. The out of pocket expense was worth it in my view. Very pleased.
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Did you do the update at a dealer? If so was the cost fixed or did the dealer charge for 8 hours at like $160-180/hour?
At the Dealership - $180 fixed (not per hour). I waited on mine as only took 2 hours (which included wash/vac).
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At the Dealership - $180 fixed (not per hour). I waited on mine as only took 2 hours (which included wash/vac).
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Any issues with BM3 after the update? Did you tell your SA you are tuned?
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Just got home from updating the software. No placebo effect. The transmission and suspension were definitely tweaked for the better. Shift points in all three settings are adjusted and just feel like shifts are where they should be now. Felt like they were slightly off before. Shifts themselves also feel smoother. In slow speed situations the trans would sometimes feel bogged down but that's now gone. I also experienced a weird clunk sound when reversing...also gone. The dampening also feels improved to me in all three settings. Not a huge difference but again noticeably better. The thuds I would feel over choppy roads appear minimized. The out of pocket expense was worth it in my view. Very pleased.
Mine was fixed as well 2 hours.
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Any issues with BM3 after the update? Did you tell your SA you are tuned?
I'm stock so can't help you there, but ZTZ1010 mentioned BM3 in post #35 [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=35 ], and cookiesowns in #49 [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=49 ].
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I'm stock so can't help you there, but ZTZ1010 mentioned BM3 in post #35 [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...8;postcount=35 ], and cookiesowns in #49 [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...8;postcount=49 ].
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Just an FYI to everyone getting this update. If you are coded, it will reset your coding.

That being said, it's far far smoother coming to a stop and at start. The lane keeping tech also works A LOT better.
Any real difference in ride quality?
Yes noticeably smoother. I was on winter tires, just changed back to my shitty Conti summer tires and it's still much smoother. Doesn't get as unsettled as much. It's a pretty drastic improvement. As others have reported, coming to a stop and at a start it's a lot less jerky too. They def tweaked the transmission a lot.
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Before knowing the fix could improve shift smoothness and response, and improved ride quality, I couldn't say it did just that but its definitely improved since mine was updated.
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