[Mako]

so what are the current rumors for the engine and power output?

last I heard was 450hp/450 torque. I was hoping for something to rival the Stelvio Quad, but 450hp from BMW is probably equal to 500hp from Alfa

I am really hoping they give it the full M treatment, meaning upgraded leather option, full leather, carbon trim...
Would be nice to get some two tone leather options as well (Mercedes, Audi, Land Rover, and I think Alfa all offer it)

[Zeroblade]

Interwebs are pretty sure it'll be the S58 engine - based off the current S55 found in the M3/4 that currently makes 425 hp base. 444 with Comp Package. So 450 HP is a good bet and assuming BMW expects some kind of towing ability, increase it's Torque also. It's been confirmed the X3 is now open to individual color choices now so the additional trim will most certainly be there.

While I like the current 3 series wagons, there is no option to have it with the 6 banger in the States. Even if there was the price of a tricked out one would be on par of just getting a M3 or so. This X3M is sounding like a real mean and sweet ride that nobody can't deny considering.

[Barbera335]

Originally Posted by Zeroblade

Interwebs are pretty sure it'll be the S58 engine - based off the current S55 found in the M3/4 that currently makes 425 hp base. 444 with Comp Package. So 450 HP is a good bet and assuming BMW expects some kind of towing ability, increase it's Torque also. It's been confirmed the X3 is now open to individual color choices now so the additional trim will most certainly be there.

While I like the current 3 series wagons, there is no option to have it with the 6 banger in the States. Even if there was the price of a tricked out one would be on par of just getting a M3 or so. This X3M is sounding like a real mean and sweet ride that nobody can't deny considering.

I believe the S58 will be based on the B58, not the S55. Same as the S55 which was based on the N55.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by Barbera335

I believe the S58 will be based on the B58, not the S55. Same as the S55 which was based on the N55.

S58 is the S55 successor according to info on the web and it will be the best of B58 + S55 taken together = S58 first of its kind to be placed on the X3M and X4M

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by FSociety

S58 is the S55 successor according to info on the web and it will be the best of B58 + S55 taken together = S58 first of its kind to be placed on the X3M and X4M

I think the S58 will also be the same engine used in the new M3/M4 (w/ M XDrive ) with close to 500hp.

[JupiterBMW]

Originally Posted by kozzi

I think the S58 will also be the same engine used in the new M3/M4 (w/ M XDrive ) with close to 500hp.

I'm sure you're correct, if nothing else, M xDrive will certainly be an option on the next M3/4... At least I'd like to hope so...

That being said, does anyone else think they'd offer M xDrive on the next generation of SUVs?? X3/4/5/6??

I wouldn't imagine so, but one could only dream of a RWD X3M!!

So realistically, standard xDrive, M tuned 8AT, S58 engine...

Of course, with options it'll be $80K, which is absurd if you ask me, but I'm still signing up for one!

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by JupiterBMW

I'm sure you're correct, if nothing else, M xDrive will certainly be an option on the next M3/4... At least I'd like to hope so...

That being said, does anyone else think they'd offer M xDrive on the next generation of SUVs?? X3/4/5/6??

I wouldn't imagine so, but one could only dream of a RWD X3M!!

So realistically, standard xDrive, M tuned 8AT, S58 engine...

Of course, with options it'll be $80K, which is absurd if you ask me, but I'm still signing up for one!

I doubt BMW will offer M XDrive on any SAV/SUV they make. The current F25 35i I drive feels like most of the power is put down at the rear and they say the the new G01 will feel even more power at the rear.

So yes, standard XDrive with M tuned bits, M tuned 8AT to feel like a DCT(hopefully) and the S58 engine with @500HP...would be awesome indeed.

Fully loaded X3 M40i will be at @$68K and so I think the X3M will be @$78K loaded...and yea...I am signing up for one too lol.

[JupiterBMW]

Originally Posted by kozzi

I doubt BMW will offer M XDrive on any SAV/SUV they make. The current F25 35i I drive feels like most of the power is put down at the rear and they say the the new G01 will feel even more power at the rear.

So yes, standard XDrive with M tuned bits, M tuned 8AT to feel like a DCT(hopefully) and the S58 engine with @500HP...would be awesome indeed.

Fully loaded X3 M40i will be at @$68K and so I think the X3M will be @$78K loaded...and yea...I am signing up for one too lol.

To be honest, I think the HP you mentioned is a little high. I don't think they'll put that much power in it seeing as how the next X5M/X6M is only in the 570HP range. Realistically, I think they might do the same S58, but I'd be willing to bet it'll be in the mid to high 400s. The reason for this is that the M3/M4 will probably get the full 500HP S58, but they'll either detune or derate due to exhaust. I say this because the exhaust piping size on my X3 35i is the same diameter (at least at the muffler inlet) as the 3/4 28i, with the N20...

But, we'll all pray for 500!

[kozzi]

The 500HP mark is high but the competition is out there. BMW treats their current X5M with @570HP and it can compete with a Cayenne Turbo S. It is the same engine that was in the outgoing M5 and current M6GC. In order for this trend to continue, BMW needs to keep pushing boundaries...especially in M vehicles.

The X3M will see stiff competition at 500HP from Merc GLC AMG63S (they will build the non-coupe version), AR Stelvio QV, P Macan Turbo S and possibly the Audi RSQ5 (I think it has been confirmed at 450HP and may change closer to 500HP but will never be a better performer than a P Macan).

IMO, they will put the same engine in the X3M that the new M3/M4 will get...obviously M tuned to support each vehicles needs. The difference in weight between platforms will never mess with performance hierarchy and it would allow the X3M/X4M to be leaders in what is emerging as the highest selling segment. Having the flagship M as a segment leader will only help BMW with marketing and sales down the line.

HP isn't everything and it is very possible that BMW can build a S58 @455HP and keep pace with the pack...but why just keep pace? A 500HP S58 X3M/X4M wouldn't cost BMW any extra money, still sell extremely well and ensure BMW best in class...exactly where they should be.

Yes! We will pray for 500HP!!!

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by kozzi

I doubt BMW will offer M XDrive on any SAV/SUV they make. The current F25 35i I drive feels like most of the power is put down at the rear and they say the the new G01 will feel even more power at the rear.

So yes, standard XDrive with M tuned bits, M tuned 8AT to feel like a DCT(hopefully) and the S58 engine with @500HP...would be awesome indeed.

Fully loaded X3 M40i will be at @$68K and so I think the X3M will be @$78K loaded...and yea...I am signing up for one too lol.

New Gx X5M is already said to have M xDrive being borrowed from new M5.

Originally Posted by kozzi

The 500HP mark is high but the competition is out there. BMW treats their current X5M with @570HP and it can compete with a Cayenne Turbo S. It is the same engine that was in the outgoing M5 and current M6GC. In order for this trend to continue, BMW needs to keep pushing boundaries...especially in M vehicles.

The X3M will see stiff competition at 500HP from Merc GLC AMG63S (they will build the non-coupe version), AR Stelvio QV, P Macan Turbo S and possibly the Audi RSQ5 (I think it has been confirmed at 450HP and may change closer to 500HP but will never be a better performer than a P Macan).

IMO, they will put the same engine in the X3M that the new M3/M4 will get...obviously M tuned to support each vehicles needs. The difference in weight between platforms will never mess with performance hierarchy and it would allow the X3M/X4M to be leaders in what is emerging as the highest selling segment. Having the flagship M as a segment leader will only help BMW with marketing and sales down the line.

HP isn't everything and it is very possible that BMW can build a S58 @455HP and keep pace with the pack...but why just keep pace? A 500HP S58 X3M/X4M wouldn't cost BMW any extra money, still sell extremely well and ensure BMW best in class...exactly where they should be.

Yes! We will pray for 500HP!!!

Macan Turbo w/ PP is maxed turbo at least lol, same engine they've been using.

I think AR Stelvio QV & X3M/X4M are what I'm mostly going to be more interesting.. For ex, C63 S AMG has more HP/TQ than ATS-V/F80 ZCP and its slower in 0-60 and 1/4 mile lol due to Benz always being heavier. Seeing really tuned up C63 S at the moment still not running as fast as F80 Tuned in the 1/4 mile either.

I hope BMW makes a X3M S58 460hp/480tq first roll-out, more/cooling/lighter-wheels in a X3M ZCP 500hp/510tq what u think?

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by FSociety

New Gx X5M is already said to have M xDrive being borrowed from new M5.


Macan Turbo w/ PP is maxed turbo at least lol, same engine they've been using.

I think AR Stelvio QV & X3M/X4M are what I'm mostly going to be more interesting.. For ex, C63 S AMG has more HP/TQ than ATS-V/F80 ZCP and its slower in 0-60 and 1/4 mile lol due to Benz always being heavier. Seeing really tuned up C63 S at the moment still not running as fast as F80 Tuned in the 1/4 mile either.

I hope BMW makes a X3M S58 460hp/480tq first roll-out, more/cooling/lighter-wheels in a X3M ZCP 500hp/510tq what u think?

Please share any information you have that the new X5M will have M XDrive. A 5300 lbs SUV that has 650HP+ and an option for RWD sounds scary as hell lol. If this comes as an option to the new X3M...

Well, is it true what they are saying? Next generation (2020/2021) Macan will not only have a Turbo S version but as a full blown ELV that will be 0-60 in under 3.5 secs. Still way too small for me and maybe more of a true competitor to the GLA/X1.

The Stelvio QV is an interesting vehicle but the reliability issues AR has are undeniable. I am going to stay away from that one. It's too bad because by the time they get it together, everyone else will be running on batteries.

I think the big test here is going to be the 500HP AMG GLC63(S). This is why I hope BMW comes out strong and gives us an X3M S58 with 500HP/510TQ+ that they will later throw in the new M3/M4. Imagine a 500HP M3/M4!!!

What you say is true...100% the X3M will be lighter so the HP will not need to be as high to outperform the 63S, but why not come out strong and just blow everyone away?

A full blown X3M SAV really doesn't need a ZCP version. If they release ZCP versions of the X5M/X6M...you wouldn't have to twist my arm to get an X3M ZCP.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by kozzi

Please share any information you have that the new X5M will have M XDrive. A 5300 lbs SUV that has 650HP+ and an option for RWD sounds scary as hell lol. If this comes as an option to the new X3M...

Well, is it true what they are saying? Next generation (2020/2021) Macan will not only have a Turbo S version but as a full blown ELV that will be 0-60 in under 3.5 secs. Still way too small for me and maybe more of a true competitor to the GLA/X1.

The Stelvio QV is an interesting vehicle but the reliability issues AR has are undeniable. I am going to stay away from that one. It's too bad because by the time they get it together, everyone else will be running on batteries.

I think the big test here is going to be the 500HP AMG GLC63(S). This is why I hope BMW comes out strong and gives us an X3M S58 with 500HP/510TQ+ that they will later throw in the new M3/M4. Imagine a 500HP M3/M4!!!

What you say is true...100% the X3M will be lighter so the HP will not need to be as high to outperform the 63S, but why not come out strong and just blow everyone away?

A full blown X3M SAV really doesn't need a ZCP version. If they release ZCP versions of the X5M/X6M...you wouldn't have to twist my arm to get an X3M ZCP.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1404345

Here's our first sighting of the next BMW X5 M! Based on the next gen X5 (G05), the new X5 M will share the same powertrain as the upcoming F90 M5, powered by the S63B44T4 engine. The new X5 M and X6 M will also share the same new M xDrive system and 8 speed automatic with the F90 M5

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by FSociety

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1404345

Here's our first sighting of the next BMW X5 M! Based on the next gen X5 (G05), the new X5 M will share the same powertrain as the upcoming F90 M5, powered by the S63B44T4 engine. The new X5 M and X6 M will also share the same new M xDrive system and 8 speed automatic with the F90 M5

Yes, I saw that post by Jason. I was wondering if you ran across any other information from a different source.

I find it difficult to believe BMW would let a M SUV of this size and power run 100% RWD. I can see 4WD and 4WD Sport but 100% 2WD...insane!!!

[beammeupscottie]

Hoping for 500HP and great torque...if BMW GETS 650HP out of the next X5M it seems logical to Go for 500HP out of the X3M...if not then that creates a huge space to loose customers to competitors: clearly the X3M would be within reach ($78k) for more buyers and X5M will be reserved for those who are in the entry price point of +$103k...the market will crash in 1.5 years guaranteed. If bmw is smart they'll beef up the X3M enough to corral enough buyers to preserve sales during the crash!

[duky]

Seems surprising that they would debut a new M engine on something other than a coupe/sedan. I feel like X3M will use current M3 engine and then in a few years they will debut the new engine on M3 rather than using an "old" engine

[HPIA4v2]

Doubt the X3M/X4M will be 500HP, BMW never match the actual C63 even with M3/M4 CS in HP department, emission has to do with it as well as CAFE (average mileage across the fleet).

I'd be super happy if X3M/X4M would use detuned variation of S58 or even S55, none of that funky non real M engine ala the one in the current M2

[Max Well]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

Doubt the X3M/X4M will be 500HP, BMW never match the actual C63 even with M3/M4 CS in HP department, emission has to do with it as well as CAFE (average mileage across the fleet).

I'd be super happy if X3M/X4M would use detuned variation of S58 or even S55, none of that funky non real M engine ala the one in the current M2

But the landscape is changing, and quite rapidly it seems. The SUV/SAV segment is growing at rates beyond which were imagined 10 years ago, and elite Mnfrs which previously disdained the idea of producing one are jumping on board. And why not? To produce a high-performance vehicle which allows more utility than perf-only vehicles, and then add luxury on to that - this is what their customer base is telling them they want.

The old way of thinking about positioning a(n) SAV has gone out the window, and they recognize what this genre brings in positive cash flow to their firms, and per most analyses, this model group will insure profitability for firms who may have been scraping by with perf-only coupes/sedans. Which will allow them even more R&D funds.

Definitely an interesting time to see how this plays out.

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

Doubt the X3M/X4M will be 500HP, BMW never match the actual C63 even with M3/M4 CS in HP department, emission has to do with it as well as CAFE (average mileage across the fleet).

I'd be super happy if X3M/X4M would use detuned variation of S58 or even S55, none of that funky non real M engine ala the one in the current M2

IMO, that ship has sailed. As others have mentioned, times are changing. A good example would be the new M5 at 600HP vs the E63S at 603HP. The M5 CP will be rated at 615HP. I use the M5 as the example (and not the M3) because of M XDrive and its ability to put the power down. The X3M will also have no issues putting the power down and would be able handle 500HP.

Check out Max Well's post on SAV comparisons. Tons of DATA on what the competition is doing.

https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1444613

IMO, BMW will release the X3M with the S58 at 475HP and the X3M CP with 490HP.