[borderwave2]

Originally Posted by bad430benz

You said it ! MAP pricing is the exact reason for eliminating undercutting on the same item . A set of wheels is a huge difference from a can of Coke . If you buy a set of wheels , the price is probably similar across the board from all vendors . I bet if you buy 10 sets of wheels , as an individual , you could probably negotiate on the pricing . It also comes down to the ability of being able to purchase direct from the manufacturer . Group buy from a vendor might not work but a group buy from the manufacturer direct , if allowed , is another story .


That is the exact problem US manufacturers have with Chinese competition . The main issue I have with this is that you then have people that think the US manufacturer is gouging the consumer .


This is the exact comparison between the Valvetronic and the Alibaba . Do the two items look similar , yes , but there are still a lot of differences between the two . The gripe that people made were that they were the same item but just branded different and that is not the case .

How much engineering is there in an aftermarket exhaust like this though? I've seen some shops near me who make single turbo kits for S58s and B58s. Most aftermarket shops are good at fabrication, but they are not running CFD simulations and heat transfer analyses when they make these exhaust components. Their R&D is basically, weld up the pipes, make sure it fits and that's it.

I have yet to see any genuine IP that could be stolen from making an aftermarket exhaust.

[TacosRule!]

Originally Posted by kidxin

I’m laughing cause you know that’s me right 😂😂😂. Message me privately

dude, thanks! I couldnt remember your name. DM'd

[Stlthnmrdrd]

https://www.vividracing.com/vrp-bmw-...153844120.html

https://www.instagram.com/jcc_custom/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/tovi_performance/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/valvemaster_/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/bomizusa/?hl=en

Same exact as valvetronic. The only thing valvetronic does different is they address to "bugs/fixes" with their exhaust and has better customer service than other private labeled alibaba exhaust companies.

props to Bomiz for being the first to do it lmao.

at least vivid racing and Valvetronic asked their manufacturer to change the color of the titanium to not look like alibaba exhausts.

2023 and 2024 is officially the battle of the alibaba exhausts

[Info@mad-us.com]

We are working on something your wallet will appreciate.

Customer service and lifetime warranty included.

[Sayzar]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

We are working on something your wallet will appreciate.

Customer service and lifetime warranty included.

please tell me it's a mid pipe and axel back

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by Sayzar

please tell me it's a mid pipe and axel back

[TacosRule!]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

is it at least an axle back?

[TacosRule!]

Originally Posted by Stlthnmrdrd

https://www.vividracing.com/vrp-bmw-...153844120.html

https://www.instagram.com/jcc_custom/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/tovi_performance/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/valvemaster_/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/bomizusa/?hl=en

Same exact as valvetronic. The only thing valvetronic does different is they address to "bugs/fixes" with their exhaust and has better customer service than other private labeled alibaba exhaust companies.

props to Bomiz for being the first to do it lmao.

at least vivid racing and Valvetronic asked their manufacturer to change the color of the titanium to not look like alibaba exhausts.

2023 and 2024 is officially the battle of the alibaba exhausts

Thanks!

[Edgar_FriendlyX3M]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

We are working on something your wallet will appreciate.

Customer service and lifetime warranty included.

Customer service for when my exhaust needs a system reboot and lifetime warranty for that stainless steel on a car most people won't own past 5 years. 🤨🤨

[Thtshowiroll47]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

Well?!!

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by TacosRule!

is it at least an axle back?

We always go downpipe back 😁

[bad430benz]

Originally Posted by borderwave2

How much engineering is there in an aftermarket exhaust like this though? I've seen some shops near me who make single turbo kits for S58s and B58s. Most aftermarket shops are good at fabrication, but they are not running CFD simulations and heat transfer analyses when they make these exhaust components. Their R&D is basically, weld up the pipes, make sure it fits and that's it.

I have yet to see any genuine IP that could be stolen from making an aftermarket exhaust.

I hear what you're saying about the engineering that goes into an exhaust but everyone keeps saying that the Valvetronic and the Alibaba are the same but they are not . Most exhausts for a platform are going to be very similar because they can only work with the room they have underneath . Can someone post up a side by side picture of the Alibaba and the Valvetronic and show me where the 2 are the same ? No matter what has happened in the past , from what I have seen from owning the Valvetronic personally and seeing pictures of the Alibaba , the piping is quite different in multiple locations on the exhaust .

[bad430benz]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

We always go downpipe back 😁

I hope it's without valves........

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by bad430benz

I hope it's without valves........

Why would you not want valves?

[bad430benz]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

Why would you not want valves?

I know I'm a rare breed but I am not a fan of valves . I want my exhaust to sound good all the time . Not saying your exhaust won't sound good , but why do you think most supercar owners straight pipe their vehicles . I am not a fan of rolling up to someone as Elon Musk and taking off as John Force

[thestimp]

Originally Posted by bad430benz

I know I'm a rare breed but I am not a fan of valves . I want my exhaust to sound good all the time . Not saying your exhaust won't sound good , but why do you think most supercar owners straight pipe their vehicles . I am not a fan of rolling up to someone as Elon Musk and taking off as John Force

Because most supercars are valved and well designed... Otherwise its a 16 yr old in a mustang.

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by bad430benz

I know I'm a rare breed but I am not a fan of valves . I want my exhaust to sound good all the time . Not saying your exhaust won't sound good , but why do you think most supercar owners straight pipe their vehicles . I am not a fan of rolling up to someone as Elon Musk and taking off as John Force

If your valves are fully open it's technically a straight pipe . Very little if any will flow through the muffler section.

We will definitely have valves as it gives users the ability to adjust the volume as they see fit.

[TacosRule!]

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

If your valves are fully open it's technically a straight pipe . Very little if any will flow through the muffler section.

We will definitely have valves as it gives users the ability to adjust the volume as they see fit.

Can you share details? Whats the material? Are the OEM valves reused? Do you retain OEM control of the valves? What size and color are the exhaust tips?

Whats the ETA?

Thanks

[Info@mad-us.com]

Originally Posted by TacosRule!

Can you share details? Whats the material? Are the OEM valves reused? Do you retain OEM control of the valves? What size and color are the exhaust tips?

Whats the ETA?

Thanks

Still currently in testing. I will make a thread when I have more specifics to share but you can check out any of our other exhaust to get an idea.

[bad430benz]

Originally Posted by thestimp

Because most supercars are valved and well designed... Otherwise its a 16 yr old in a mustang.

Maybe you missed what I'm saying . I'm saying that a lot of supercar owners straight pipe their vehicle to get that pure sound all the time . In other words , they get rid of the valve option . This is what I want to do .

Originally Posted by Info@mad-us.com

If your valves are fully open it's technically a straight pipe . Very little if any will flow through the muffler section.

We will definitely have valves as it gives users the ability to adjust the volume as they see fit.

I am not knocking what you are doing . I am merely explaining the option I am taking on mine . My theory is that I purchase an exhaust for the sound it creates . I do not want to kill the sound and only have it on sometimes . If I want a valved exhaust , I would just keep it OEM and do midpipes or downpipes .

[TacosRule!]

Just saw this one. It is about 95% identical to the stuff I've seen in china. It even looks kind of odd, why is the dual pipe so apart after the first turn?

https://carbahn.com/product/cbf9x-41...xhaust-system/

$7250, LMAOWUT

[Stlthnmrdrd]

Originally Posted by TacosRule!

Just saw this one. It is about 95% identical to the stuff I've seen in china. It even looks kind of odd, why is the dual pipe so apart after the first turn?

https://carbahn.com/product/cbf9x-41...xhaust-system/

$7250, LMAOWUT

Thats sad, Steve Dinan went alibaba route lmao