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      02-14-2019, 03:10 AM   #23
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As Steve already pointed out, the credibility might be questioned for that site.

But they also have a NOx list, 27mg/km for M40i and 48 for 30d.

But according to the official numbers on my registration here in Sweden, my 30d spits out, according to WLTP 34.8mg/km NOx, and same number for M40i is 16.6. Cars manufactured after the changes in Aug 2018.

These are all very low numbers just compared to a few years ago.
Source thoroughly discredited then.
I'd trust Swedish official figures.

Had forgotten about the GPF/PPF changes on petrols.

Even though I've just picked mine up and am first reg, it's actually a July build according to the VIN. So might still be a bit dirtier.

Yep - a different world of pollution compared to a few years ago.
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      02-14-2019, 03:15 AM   #24
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M40i for me every day of the week, as I like driving, and the 40i is loads more fun to drive than a 30d. And it sounds fantastic. Buy with your heart.
Very true.

Heart for me this time was a little different to my last purchase: 'Ooh look at that amazing deal on a stock car with Cognac and wood interior. My wife would never let me spec that from build, plus it's got a panoramic roof my little one'. So not that hairy chested.

Heart next time might be: 'Ooh I wonder how much a manual V10 E60 M5 costs nowadays, and how much it would cost to import from the states. I'm pretty sure they've got isofix mounts in the back.'
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+1 I got near 20% off for taking a stock car. It was very close to a spec Id like so 3 months saved and a heap of cash. He still has some stock cars to sell before end of this month. The 30d were the bargains if can call an expensive car that but I'd had my eye on the 40D.

It's amazing!!!
Congrats on yours... supertanker power figures!

If you're the same Chris that has converted Tony to selling 2nd hand in the last week, congrats on your epic speccing ability as well!

TRLs special sauce means I'm paying the same on monthlies on a £53k list price car as I was on a £36k car (and that was at TRL rates too). Voodoo economics.
Haha indeed yes that's my daily beater trade in

That was also a stock car grab by me locally in a Chester, not my spec but obviously it caught my eye. Now THAT was some bargain Pre Reg £68k spec for £51k!

Sorry OT
That one hell of of a list price JustChris , at £68k must have every possible extra? Nice one
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I have always had diesel bmws, being in Australia SUVs are very common place and with the large distances it always seemed to make sense. Diesel doesn't also seem to be on the nose here like they are elsewhere (yet). When I looked to replace my F25 20d I was convinced I was going for a G01 30d, I even test drove one and put my order down. Everything was looking sweet - that was until the M40i was launched.
About the same time I had to go back to the dealer to do some trade-in paperwork and while there they chucked me the keys.

Well, that was the end of the 30d. That B58 engine sound was infectious and I had to have it. That and it went like a cat on a hot tin roof. Yes I fell into the sales guys agenda, but I'm bloody glad I did. It certainly drinks more fuel than the diesel but I can't wipe the smile of my face each time I drive it. Even better, the wife loves it too! Don't get me wrong, that 30d is one damn fine motor with magnificent refinement, and I'd back anyone that has one (I'll still buy one in the x5) but for now the M40i is just sensational as a daily driver.
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I test drove the 30d before getting the m40i and it was nice but didn't feel sporty enough for me. I think the m40i feels much faster than the 30d. The motor was on a different level. Could also partly be the feel from a stiffer suspension. What I'm really curious about is the 40d. That could have been a serious option for me if it had been available when I ordered.
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Sorry for resurrecting this one again.

Don't know how old everyone is on the forum, but for speed comparisons I always go back to the cars from my wall as a kid in the 80s when I buy a new car. To me those will always be fast cars.

I also remember how slow 4x4s (no SUVs then) were - an 80s Mk1 Range Rover was doing about 13 seconds to get 60 even with its big V8 (and about the same number for MPG, because of the V8).

It's pretty mad how quick our cars are now:
20i > faster to 60 than a 205 GTI 1.6
20d > faster than a base Porsche 944
30i > faster than a Ferrari 308 & a Lotus Esprit
30d > faster than a Ferrari 328 and a Lambo Countach if you follow this review
M40d & M40i > Top 5 fastest, beating a 288 GTO and Group B Rally RS200s & Quattros (at least the homologation versions)

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A couple of posters have mentioned European roadtrips over the last couple of days. The fastest car (other than my M135i) I'd previously done a trip across Europe in was a Jag XK8, that felt like a very fast car - but looking at the stats my trip through the Route Napoleon in my 30d this year, is in a faster car.

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Sounds like you do value "comfort" and "ease of the drive" more than the outright fun factor. I'd go with the 30D. Before I got my 30i, I test drove the 40i side by side and it was definitely harsher. I'm sure the Adaptive M Suspension would have made that a little better, but I opted for a much better "equipped" 30i instead ($4k cheaper too).

When I decided to get the 30i, it was because I realized I wanted to be able to enjoy the car to it's fullest 90% of the time (regular daily driving). The latter 10% (driving very hard) of hardcore acceleration, hard turns, etc. just wasn't at the top of my list. Having said that - I do have a properly tuned 30i from BPM Sport. It now makes that "90%" WAY more enjoyable, plus I still have all my creature comforts and fuel economy to boot - not to mention a significantly smaller car payment as well

To answer your Q's directly:
did you too feel that the non M performance models were slightly easier to live with on a daily basis?
YES. Just get the Adaptive Suspension option - it's great.

Did you feel they offered a slight comfier ride.
YES.

Perhaps I am just mistaken and would be foolish not to take up the offer of another M40i. Perhaps the non run-flats will somewhat split the difference and will give the M-Perfomance model a slight cushier feel.
I have the 30i w/ MSport Pkg, 20in wheel RFTs and the Dynamic Handling Pkg. Rides like a dream and is firm enough when in Sport Plus. And I do drive very hard when i'm feeling frisky. No issues whatsoever.
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I had a 24hr test-drive of a 30d M Sport. It was on 21” rims and was highly specced (even had Merino) but didn’t have adaptive suspension - even so, I liked it a lot! It was fast, refined, easy to drive and comfortable.

I ended up with the M40d, the adaptive made all the difference... as above, but change fast to very fast.

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Congrats on yours... supertanker power figures!

If you're the same Chris that has converted Tony to selling 2nd hand in the last week, congrats on your epic speccing ability as well!

TRLs special sauce means I'm paying the same on monthlies on a £53k list price car as I was on a £36k car (and that was at TRL rates too). Voodoo economics.
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What/who are TRL?
Tony Lewis at Berry BMW Heathrow.
The best deals around for a variety of BMW's especially M Performance and M cars, but without the messing around. No haggling, he just gives you the best price he can do.
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What/who are TRL?
What he says...

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Tony Lewis at Berry BMW Heathrow.
The best deals around for a variety of BMW's especially M Performance and M cars, but without the messing around. No haggling, he just gives you the best price he can do.
Plus:

- He actually likes cars, unlike some of the dealers I'd dealt with in the past and knows what your purchase means to you
- Occasionally posts deals on his Instagram
- Not sure this is against forum rules to talk about another forum, but also posts them here . A very high % of that forum bought their M135i/M140i off him

Lovely chap and you're unlikely to get a better deal in the UK
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BTW, the performance measurement differences are fairly significant and are inline with the differnce between a Corvette Grand Sport and Z06 (190 HP delta). In the 1/4 mile, a 13mph trap speed difference is major.
You're right, but as a 42 year old fart and father of two kids, 1/4 races on public roads are not really on my agenda;-)
I truly enjoyed the m40i acceleration but it does not feel 100hp faster and the fun only kicked in above the speed limit and not immediately. Whereas the diesel releases his brute force in the lower revs instantaneously which always puts a grin on my face when accelerating from 50 to 80km/h (Swiss speed limit on country roads) or on the autobahn on-ramps (Swiss speed limit 120km/h).
I think it is difficult to say which is better, as it really depends on various factors. This is backed by my recent experience in BMW wintertraining, where we had the opportunity to blast through the Swiss alps on closed snow covered roads with nearly all 40i models (ranging from m140i to the 540i) and 850i and also all x5 models. All participants agreed that the agility of the m140i and the power of the x5 50d are second to none. But it all boils down to what you really prefer and what suits your needs.
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Sorry for resurrecting this one again.

Don't know how old everyone is on the forum, but for speed comparisons I always go back to the cars from my wall as a kid in the 80s when I buy a new car. To me those will always be fast cars.

I also remember how slow 4x4s (no SUVs then) were - an 80s Mk1 Range Rover was doing about 13 seconds to get 60 even with its big V8 (and about the same number for MPG, because of the V8).

It's pretty mad how quick our cars are now:
20i > faster to 60 than a 205 GTI 1.6
20d > faster than a base Porsche 944
30i > faster than a Ferrari 308 & a Lotus Esprit
30d > faster than a Ferrari 328 and a Lambo Countach if you follow this review
M40d & M40i > Top 5 fastest, beating a 288 GTO and Group B Rally RS200s & Quattros (at least the homologation versions)

Tune the M40d like teaston and you're worrying an F40

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A couple of posters have mentioned European roadtrips over the last couple of days. The fastest car (other than my M135i) I'd previously done a trip across Europe in was a Jag XK8, that felt like a very fast car - but looking at the stats my trip through the Route Napoleon in my 30d this year, is in a faster car.

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A brilliant summary of what used to be what. I also remember, as a yoof, scouring the performance pages of various car magazines and marvelling at how fast those cars were. I was so impressed with the 0-60 times of cars like the Countach and the 911 Turbo! Cars have got quicker but out of all cars currently available, there are only very few that are as fast, or faster than the ones we own and chat about here.

Love the Route Napoleon and the route down to it through Grenoble, Cisteron and Gap.
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Sorry for resurrecting this one again.

Don't know how old everyone is on the forum, but for speed comparisons I always go back to the cars from my wall as a kid in the 80s when I buy a new car. To me those will always be fast cars.

I also remember how slow 4x4s (no SUVs then) were - an 80s Mk1 Range Rover was doing about 13 seconds to get 60 even with its big V8 (and about the same number for MPG, because of the V8).

It's pretty mad how quick our cars are now:
20i > faster to 60 than a 205 GTI 1.6
20d > faster than a base Porsche 944
30i > faster than a Ferrari 308 & a Lotus Esprit
30d > faster than a Ferrari 328 and a Lambo Countach if you follow this review
M40d & M40i > Top 5 fastest, beating a 288 GTO and Group B Rally RS200s & Quattros (at least the homologation versions)

Tune the M40d like teaston and you're worrying an F40

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A couple of posters have mentioned European roadtrips over the last couple of days. The fastest car (other than my M135i) I'd previously done a trip across Europe in was a Jag XK8, that felt like a very fast car - but looking at the stats my trip through the Route Napoleon in my 30d this year, is in a faster car.

Attachment 1999018
A brilliant summary of what used to be what. I also remember, as a yoof, scouring the performance pages of various car magazines and marvelling at how fast those cars were. I was so impressed with the 0-60 times of cars like the Countach and the 911 Turbo! Cars have got quicker but out of all cars currently available, there are only very few that are as fast, or faster than the ones we own and chat about here.

Love the Route Napoleon and the route down to it through Grenoble, Cisteron and Gap.
The Route Napoleon bit has been sold as 'a minor detour off the autoroute' to the family for this trip.
Surprisingly few questions have been raised over needing to get as far as Grenoble, and Grenoble specifically; on day 1 given that's about 650 miles.
I'm sure the wife will love the scenery and the little one has the panoramic roof now in the X3.
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X3 30D vs M40i

I totally agree with atrueb. I went with an open mind for a test drive, thinking X3 M40i would be my preference as I was very sure that petrol will feel lot sportier and exciting than diesel. However I was very surprised how sporty and refined 30D was. The main reason why I ended up buying 30D M sport was the instant shove and the pull you feel when you press the accelerator in sport mode. As I am also driving to work 5 days a week in peak hour traffic I felt I could use the sport mode of 30D better than that of M40i, which would rev needlessly. Though M40i has a great engine, in suburban traffic and for daily driving I felt 30D would be a better car. In comfort mode too the low down torque of 30D makes it more interesting in suburban conditions.

I was ready to compromise on ride quality and the higher fuel consumption if X3 M40i was way better than 30D but it wasn't. Don't get me wrong I still like M40i and if I didn't have to drive in peak hour traffic everyday and family duties in weekend I would have still considered M40i but someone with similar needs as mine I believe 30D will serve them better.

Advantages of X3 30D M Sport:
Massive low down torque and instant power delivery
Ride quality
Low fuel consumption

Advantages of X3 M40i:
High revving and playful engine
Amazing engine sound
Aggressive looks
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I totally agree with atrueb. I went with an open mind for a test drive, thinking X3 M40i would be my preference as I was very sure that petrol will feel lot sportier and exciting than diesel. However I was very surprised how sporty and refined 30D was. The main reason why I ended up buying 30D M sport was the instant shove and the pull you feel when you press the accelerator in sport mode. As I am also driving to work 5 days a week in peak hour traffic I felt I could use the sport mode of 30D better than that of M40i, which would rev needlessly. Though M40i has a great engine, in suburban traffic and for daily driving I felt 30D would be a better car. In comfort mode too the low down torque of 30D makes it more interesting in suburban conditions.

I was ready to compromise on ride quality and the higher fuel consumption if X3 M40i was way better than 30D but it wasn't. Don't get me wrong I still like M40i and if I didn't have to drive in peak hour traffic everyday and family duties in weekend I would have still considered M40i but someone with similar needs as mine I believe 30D will serve them better.

Advantages of X3 30D M Sport:
Massive low down torque and instant power delivery
Ride quality
Low fuel consumption

Advantages of X3 M40i:
High revving and playful engine
Amazing engine sound
Aggressive looks
Hmm, M40i Rev needlessly? It REV's as much as you want or need it to, but certainly wouldn't call it needless as pulls all the way from 1500rpm 👍
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