[Sorry About That]

Originally Posted by Alias1431

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...e-bmw-ll-17-fe

This thread indicates 17 might not be a great choice for american gasoline?

That thread is a few years old and has some bad info by some uninformed members.

Most brand-name gas in the USA is now tier-3 compliant with less than 10ppm sulfur, if that was your specific concern.

[Alias1431]

Originally Posted by Sorry About That

That thread is a few years old and has some bad info by some uninformed members.

Most brand-name gas in the USA is now tier-3 compliant with less than 10ppm sulfur, if that was your specific concern.

Good to know, thanks.

[kevinwoods]

Thanks everyone for the tips! I took a look at the user manual, it actually lists both LL 14FE+ and 17FE+, as well as 01FE oil. Interesting.

[verysideways]

My UK spec MY19 M40i says this:

[garz747]

Motul makes 3 different SPECIFIC 0w20s and one is rated LL14 for bmw

[rob175]

Does anyone use 0w20 Mobil 1?

[ga9213]

I'm using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30 (SN Plus spec)

Using on both N55 and B58 engines, will get blackstone results when I have at least 5k on each.

[MikeG12]

Unless something has changed, the only BMW LL oil sold by the maor brands is Castrol Edge 5W40, and that's LL01. Better be careful using anything else.

[rob175]

I think I'll tell my "indi" to just order the BMW labeled oil for the "in-between" 5,000 mile changes. (BMW does the 10,000 changes but that's too infrequent for me).

[vistokid]

Great thread, still a little unsure.

For my 2020 X3 I'm looking at doing interval oil changes between dealer changes and I'm struggling to find a suitable oil.

I honestly was thinking of using any 0W-20 Synthetic as I'll be changing the oil every 5,000 miles anyways. But of course I'm nervous about any potential damage this could cause.

[ga9213]

BMW's latest approved/required oils in 0w20 is the LL-17 FE+ which is a reformulated oil to reduce Low Speed Pre-Ignition which is behind the curve compared to the SN Plus/SP oil specs that most new oils are hitting.

They are designed for the turbo direct injection, timing chain driven vehicles with newer technology like Vanos so the hesitancy from folks to accept some of the newer oils because they don't meet BMW specs is a little baffling to me. As far as I know, BMW doesn't have some insane HTHS, KV, NOACK or TBN requirements that most quality oils meet.

For example, LL 14 FE+ requires Base of ACEA A1/B1, HTHS 2.6, KV 7.8 and TBN 9.5

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0w20 is A1/B1 so it at least meets minimum HTHS of 2.6, KV 8.8, and TBN is probably a hair under 9.5 but at less than 10k intervals it's a moot point.

But if we're talking the B58, I'm definitely not putting 0w20 in that.

[Alias1431]

Originally Posted by ga9213

But if we're talking the B58, I'm definitely not putting 0w20 in that.

I see you're using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30 (SN Plus spec). Can you detail your thought process and the determining factors behind your selection? I am trying to learn more about various kinds of oils, as I want to get the longest life from my timing chain as possible. Currently, I've just been using the OWM LL-14 oil- twice yearly.

[ga9213]

Originally Posted by Alias1431

I see you're using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30 (SN Plus spec). Can you detail your thought process and the determining factors behind your selection? I am trying to learn more about various kinds of oils, as I want to get the longest life from my timing as possible. Currently, I've just been using the OWM LL-14 oil- twice yearly.

I usually try to stay out of oil talks as they rarely work out well. But since you asked...

BMW specifies LL01-FE (0w30), LL14-FE+ (0w20) or for 2019+ LL17-FE+ (0w20, LSPI Mitigation)

Knowing a 0w30 is an acceptable weight, PUP 5w30 hits all the minimums I can find for LL01-FE aside from maybe TBN which is not a concern. I don't need a 0w as my climate doesn't get THAT cold...and my vehicle is in the garage for every cold start it will likely ever see...so probably won't ever be below freezing.

From there, PUP has a great additive package, is the same GTL base that BMW is using and I can purchase a 5qt for around 25 bucks. I submit all my oil samples to blackstone for analysis so I'll know within a single oil change if there's something to be concerned with by using this oil, but I would be beyond shocked to find that to be the case.

[Alias1431]

Thanks for the info. I live in an area with 90+, 100+ summers, and freezing winters. Would you say a 0w30 would be the way to go for me?

[ga9213]

Originally Posted by Alias1431

Thanks for the info. I live in an area with 90+, 100+ summers, and freezing winters. Would you say a 0w30 would be the way to go for me?

Certainly wouldn't hurt, though I doubt it's necessary. If you can find a 0w30 you're happy with go for it....for me PUP didn't come in that weight...so it was 0w20 or 5w30...opted for the 5w30.

I would just definitely steer away from 0w20....my BMW dealer confirmed they won't put in the LL14 or LL17 in the B58 cars...they are still putting in LL01 FE 0w30 in them.

Said they've had some oil related issues with 0w20...of course I don't know what those are but it seems just asinine to use a 0w20 all in the name of emissions or mileage on a high performance turbo engine.

[vistokid]

Originally Posted by ga9213

BMW's latest approved/required oils in 0w20 is the LL-17 FE+ which is a reformulated oil to reduce Low Speed Pre-Ignition which is behind the curve compared to the SN Plus/SP oil specs that most new oils are hitting.

They are designed for the turbo direct injection, timing chain driven vehicles with newer technology like Vanos so the hesitancy from folks to accept some of the newer oils because they don't meet BMW specs is a little baffling to me. As far as I know, BMW doesn't have some insane HTHS, KV, NOACK or TBN requirements that most quality oils meet.

For example, LL 14 FE+ requires Base of ACEA A1/B1, HTHS 2.6, KV 7.8 and TBN 9.5

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0w20 is A1/B1 so it at least meets minimum HTHS of 2.6, KV 8.8, and TBN is probably a hair under 9.5 but at less than 10k intervals it's a moot point.

But if we're talking the B58, I'm definitely not putting 0w20 in that.

My bad, should have been more specific. 2020 X3 xDrive i30.

[ga9213]

Originally Posted by vistokid

My bad, should have been more specific. 2020 X3 xDrive i30.

Surprisingly the same oil specs are called for from what I can see for yours as well.

That being said, I'd feel a whole lot better running a 0w20 in yours...though I still probably wouldn't. Not worth the minimal fuel savings IMO.

I would definitely opt for an SN Plus/SP oil though or the LL17-FE+ since low speed pre-ignition is particularly a problem in smaller displacement turbo engines, like yours.

[vistokid]

Originally Posted by ga9213

BMW's latest approved/required oils in 0w20 is the LL-17 FE+ which is a reformulated oil to reduce Low Speed Pre-Ignition which is behind the curve compared to the SN Plus/SP oil specs that most new oils are hitting.

They are designed for the turbo direct injection, timing chain driven vehicles with newer technology like Vanos so the hesitancy from folks to accept some of the newer oils because they don't meet BMW specs is a little baffling to me. As far as I know, BMW doesn't have some insane HTHS, KV, NOACK or TBN requirements that most quality oils meet.

For example, LL 14 FE+ requires Base of ACEA A1/B1, HTHS 2.6, KV 7.8 and TBN 9.5

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0w20 is A1/B1 so it at least meets minimum HTHS of 2.6, KV 8.8, and TBN is probably a hair under 9.5 but at less than 10k intervals it's a moot point.

But if we're talking the B58, I'm definitely not putting 0w20 in that.

So i'm in Canada (think very, very cold winters)...

Would these be good options for me? If so, which would you recommend out of these 2 for the 2020 X3 xDrive 30i?

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/p...-0289360p.html

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/p...-0289364p.html

[ga9213]

With really cold winters, the 0w-20 might be the better pick for you. PUP 0w20....in all likelihood is probably almost exactly what BMW is providing with the LL17-FE+.

Would be a good choice I think.

[vistokid]

Originally Posted by ga9213

With really cold winters, the 0w-20 might be the better pick for you. PUP 0w20....in all likelihood is probably almost exactly what BMW is providing with the LL17-FE+.

Would be a good choice I think.

Thank you very much. Really appreciate your replies.

[rbhjr01462]

Originally Posted by Sorry About That

The LL-14fe+ is an approved spec for the B58 engine so your car should be fine.

LL-17fe+ should be available at all dealers by now, but they might not be familiar with the new spec. See the receipt for the part#. The B58 takes 6.5 litres, or about 6.9 quarts.

BTW, the filter comes with a new O-ring for the filter cap and a new crush washer for the drain plug. You will need a 32mm socket to remove the filter cap if planning on a diy oil change. The oil was glittery from break-in metals with tiny metal flakes in the oil on the dirty side of the filter. Looked typical IME for an early oil change at 1400 miles.

>>>The only filter manufacturer I know of with a plant in Tunisia is Bosch - has BMW moved away from the Mann/Mahle/Hengst trinity?

[chippen]

Fuchs titan gt1 pro flex 5w-30\
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