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      07-12-2019, 06:18 AM   #45
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BMW Group hardly knocking it out of the park with electric vehicles. Same story with new Mini

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.a...of-range%3famp
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      07-12-2019, 08:02 AM   #46
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Well, i've gotten confirmed AWD, from BMW in Norway. And the ones with a deposit on buying the IX3 have gotten the same info, it was sent out on this monday about 08 in the morning!
It was also confirmed trailerhitch and a couple of other things. The G08 is correct though, and a WLTP with 400 km.
This is the only AWD post I've seen on here so far, do you have any more evidence to back this up, like a webpage or so?
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Can't help but chuckle a little while reading responses - most of USA doesn't need AWD. Now, that doesn't say anything about people wanting it, but they really do not need it. If you have a moderate amount of snow (as in around 1,5 feet of snow twice a year, but not every year) in your area, you really don't need AWD, we've been managing with RWD BMWs for 20 years where I live (snowfalls are as I mentioned above, used to be larger, but global warming and all that). One trick my father used was to put some heavy box of tiles in the trunk (or a bag of cement) and it had enough grip to drive safely to work and we live in a mountainous area. What really decides your ability to drive is tires - get snow tires and stop cheaping out on them (and no, all seasons aren't as good). You look like fools spending more than 50k on a car and then refusing to buy snow tires.

Also it will come in AWD, so your worries are void anyway.
True...Logic and rationale thinking will be trumped by perception and perception is everything. Many in North America believe they need AWD and it does handle better in snow than fwd or rwd. I'd rather have snows and awd vs snows and rwd in the depth of January.

I'm a huge believer in snow tires, especially living where we do. But the % of Americans who will mess with snow tires anymore is low and dwindling lower.

This vehicle will need to be taken out back and put out if its misery in a short period if it doesn't have AWD.

I hope the information coming-out stating it will have xDrive are correct.
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      07-12-2019, 09:29 AM   #48
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Can't help but chuckle a little while reading responses - most of USA doesn't need AWD. Now, that doesn't say anything about people wanting it, but they really do not need it. If you have a moderate amount of snow (as in around 1,5 feet of snow twice a year, but not every year) in your area, you really don't need AWD...
True, but can be said about anything. Most people don't need leather. Most people don't need anything more than a base level Ford Focus or Nissan Sentra.

Luckily we have a wide variety of options and can buy what we want, rather than just the minimum one might need. People aren't usually called out or chuckled at for that. The implication here is that people should like the iX3 and buy it even if it doesn't have what they want.

If it's going to come with AWD then that might appease some of us, but we are reacting to the report as stated.
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I'd consider this vehicle. LWB is attractive. RWD not a problem in Houston. I'd order it this way, even if AWD was an option--just like I'd "delete" a sunroof, if possible. Absolutely useless in Houston sun and humidity 10 months of the year. BUT--price will be an issue. If it's the same price as e-Tron or EQC, I'll give it a quick pass. Tesla, because of Model S, has more brand cachet in Houston than BMW, with it's volumes of X3 and 3-series around here. An iX3 won't help this image problem. A Tesla Model Y will eat it's lunch in the "not quite prestige" market and it won't even be competing for the same buyers as the EQC and e-Tron. It needs to be priced at the Model3/Model Y price points to have a chance and at that price point it would be top of my list.
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      07-12-2019, 11:26 AM   #50
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G08 does not have a longer wheelsbase than G01.
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I ski, and most days they will ticket you if they find you up the canyon without AWD. Also would suck to be that guy in line fishtailing up the hill, blocking both lanes, causing big delays as I always tend to run into at least once or twice a season. Super inconsiderate for people to take such vehicles up skiing thinking they can get away with it and making huge traffic jams in the process.
People just need to learn to drive... And start buying winter tyres.
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      07-12-2019, 12:10 PM   #52
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xDrive will surely be available too, but honestly, who the hell is going off-roading in a battery-powered SUV? AWD does not stop or turn better than a RWD vehicle on snowy/icy roads. Nothing some decent all-season or better yet dedicated snow tires couldn't solve!
Now we are pretty far north so this doesn't apply to everyone but I had top flight snow tires on my 2WD 3-series sedan and my 2WD Golf and I spent way too much time getting towed down the road. This is not in the ditch, just making it down a road that may not have been plowed in the last few hours. If its not delivering power to 4 wheels I won't look at it for our use.
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G08 does not have a longer wheelsbase than G01.
Where do you have that from? A quick google search does not yield anything conclusive, so I am with ynguldyn on this one.
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First hard data on iX3 (via future BMW model info thread). The big news here is that I can now confirm a U.S. market model.

iX3 specs:

G08 (long wheel base X3)
By the way, I only now realized that BMW kinda gave the G08 away by tagging their "IX3, I4, and INext undergo cold testing" press release with G08:

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...-arctic-circle

Didn't notice that when that PR was issued.
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      07-12-2019, 02:54 PM   #55
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This is the only AWD post I've seen on here so far, do you have any more evidence to back this up, like a webpage or so?
Sorry, I know I said that in a determinstic fashion, that was actually just my guess, I mean to me it only seems reasonable to offer both sDrive and xDrive as it's offered on every other SUV in BMW's lineup in the States.

sor and midwest 340xi 6sp - I get that people want it, but the want is still unreasonable I think, not saying they shouldn't have the option to buy it. Of course people are free to like what they want. IMO the AWD trend is actually just a marketing product - I remember 15 years ago most people didn't have AWD where I live and they didn't want it - for reasons which still stand today - unnecessary weight, worse driving experience and cost associated with it. But the marketing has pushed this so far (especially in luxury sedan class - started with Audi which had the better Quattro system, the costumers who didn't pay lots of attention just saw that MB and BMW were missing it, which in turn spurred these two to start pushing AWD systems on every car) that now you can't find the sportiest versions of models in RWD form. Still, the cheaper brand cars are still able to get to work normally and on time in winter (which usually don't have AWD). I reckon that for extreme cases it's smart to have one AWD car at home.
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First hard data on iX3 (via future BMW model info thread). The big news here is that I can now confirm a U.S. market model.

iX3 specs:

G08 (long wheel base X3), 75kW battery and RWD (will be denoted in the model name as "sDrive75"), 300hp.

Produced in China for worldwide sales, including North America, SOP in 2020.

One unique feature, besides the drivetrain, will be autonomous driving capability included as standard.

In the U.S., it will additionally have as standard: 19" aero wheels, adaptive suspension. Most options will be familiar from the existing X3, with the notable addition of "BMW Iconic Sounds".
I'm hoping they meant eDrive75
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      07-12-2019, 04:37 PM   #57
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This thread is very interesting to me. Normally on this forum there are heated discussions with people arguing that BMWs should be RWD, not AWD. Now BMW is going to be selling a RWD only model and everyone in this thread is complaining.

Where I live I would prefer RWD. But it is fascinating to me that there are such strong opinions in both directions.
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This thread is very interesting to me. Normally on this forum there are heated discussions with people arguing that BMWs should be RWD, not AWD. Now BMW is going to be selling a RWD only model and everyone in this thread is complaining.

Where I live I would prefer RWD. But it is fascinating to me that there are such strong opinions in both directions.
I think the arguments for and against are different nowadays. The demographics are also different.

Complexity and weight are valid arguments still, but AWD as become an automatic checkbox in the now every person's BMW vs the more enthusiast leaning BMW of yore.

Power has also become big enough that most people don't have the chops to control non-AWD vehicles. I drive better than the average bear, and I have no problems with RWD in my F80 M3. I don't think my wife would feel the same way about the car.
Together with the never ending chase to diminishing 0-60 times, you need AWD for that.
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By the way, I only now realized that BMW kinda gave the G08 away by tagging their "IX3, I4, and INext undergo cold testing" press release with G08:

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...-arctic-circle

Didn't notice that when that PR was issued.
This is too funny. You're not supposed to know that i4 is G26 either.
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G08 does not have a longer wheelsbase than G01.
You're right. Thank you for the correction. I'm so used to China-specific BMWs all having long wheelbase that I didn't even bother to double check this.

Reference: https://www.bmw.com.cn/zh/all-models...specsheet.html
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Price anywhere?
I can't find it.
Tesla Model Y RWD with 300 mile range will be $48000.
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Well, i've gotten confirmed AWD, from BMW in Norway. And the ones with a deposit on buying the IX3 have gotten the same info, it was sent out on this monday about 08 in the morning!
It was also confirmed trailerhitch and a couple of other things. The G08 is correct though, and a WLTP with 400 km.
This is the only AWD post I've seen on here so far, do you have any more evidence to back this up, like a webpage or so?
The info came from a manager within the Biggest BMW chain in Scandinavia.
I didn't even Ask him any Q about the IX3, he just had gotten an official Mail from BMW, and within that Mail, it was also info about range, and trailerhitch and battery netto capasity, and then some.
He was just releaved it came with AWD, because if it had just a RWD, the sales would be laughable.
He discussed the info with his sales team and with me this Monday.
He was not impressed with the size of the battery, wanted a bigger one, so we discussed the E-tron and i-pace against the iX3.

I know there are a 4 digit amount of preorders who have bought a number in line, as beeing the first to recieve this EV, they should also have this info by now.
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First hard data on iX3 (via future BMW model info thread). The big news here is that I can now confirm a U.S. market model.

iX3 specs:

G08 (Chinese X3), 75kWh battery and RWD (will be denoted in the model name as "sDrive75"), 300hp.

This info is very weird. Very surprising.

Especially since Klaus Froelich, BMW R&D Chief, told AutoNews a while ago 5th generation Li-ion battery packs (iX3 still coming with 4th gen batteries though) r CLAR WE based vehicles will come in 60kWh (30e), 90kWh (40e) and 120kWh (50e) variants. sDrive or xDrive. Starting with i4 and iNext.

That makes sDrive75e badge sticking out like a sore thumb. 35e would make much more sense for 75kWh (4th gen) model. Unless BMW opted for 60e, 90e, 120e nomenclature in the last minute. Not seeing that in any trademark registry as of yet though.

Also, Norway customers who can already place reservations on iX3 have been told the Norway model will be AWD.

I guess BMW USA targets California, Texas & Florida mainly with RWD iX3. At least initially. While AWD models will be shipped to Norway mainly at first.

I expect RWD iX3 will also come cheaper compared to the AWD rivals (EQC, e-tron quattro, i-Pace). Is that what BMW are aiming for? $50-55k?

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BMW should be building something like this

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...che/taycan-ev/
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This info is very weird. Very surprising.

Especially since Klaus Froelich, BMW R&D Chief, told AutoNews a while ago 5th generation Li-ion battery packs (iX3 still coming with 4th gen batteries though)
At least https://www.bmw.de/de/topics/faszina...ncept-ix3.html claims 5th gen eDrive.
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5th Gen eDrive unit, but not 5th Gen battery packs - those are going to debut with i4. While iNext will also debut a brand new BEV platform based on a new modular CLAR WE architecture.

So the iNext coming in 2021 will be the first BMW BEV with all the latest BEV tech (eDrive, batteries, new platform). iX3 and i4 are just electrified X3 / 4er GC, based on current CLAR architecture.
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