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      02-13-2019, 10:10 AM   #243
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Does it sound like the valves are closed to you? That is underwhelming, although I am sure it will sound much better in person warmed up and valves open.
Yeah, I agree it sounds like they are closed. You can hear a little resonating/rattle with them closed.
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      02-13-2019, 10:11 AM   #244
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Need to see them in person, but initial impression is that they look too narrow. Merc equivalents both c43 and c63 both look wider and better to these eyes. (For the record I can't afford either nor would I buy one of these over the equivalent sedans.)
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      02-13-2019, 10:30 AM   #245
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see I don't like the grey seats but it appears the toronto red and sakhir orange are okay together
Yes agreed that looks nice and would definitely consider that option. I thought you meant the complete interior look of sakhir orange like in the F80's...
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      02-13-2019, 10:32 AM   #246
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You Canadians/Americans are so lucky in terms of pricing, not sure you all realize it. I'm jealous! My X3, albeit well-optioned, is still a 20i and MSRP in the lovely Netherlands was €83K and some change. Translates to 94k USD. base price of a 1.8L diesel X3 here is €60K. And that's with a manual. Ouch! Don't we love CO2 and weight based taxes?

With the base M40i starting at €110k, I'm expecting the X3 M to be around €160k, 200k + USD
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Would it be possible to fit 285 or 295 at the rear?
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      02-13-2019, 10:33 AM   #248
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I don't think it will sorry to say. It doesn't have the full LED dash that comes with ID7. Even the HVAC controls are the older type without the little digital display my X5 has.
That doesn't make much sense to me as a consumer correct me if I should think any differently. The new 3 series will have a more advanced iDrive system than an M sport car that is coming out after it?
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      02-13-2019, 10:39 AM   #249
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Solid addition to the M line-up.

It's amazing to me how the X4M looks like sex, yet the series version X4 looks like unwiped ass! Absolutely amazing job on the design.
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      02-13-2019, 10:59 AM   #252
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      02-13-2019, 11:01 AM   #253
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I don't think it will sorry to say. It doesn't have the full LED dash that comes with ID7. Even the HVAC controls are the older type without the little digital display my X5 has.
That doesn't make much sense to me as a consumer correct me if I should think any differently. The new 3 series will have a more advanced iDrive system than an M sport car that is coming out after it?
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I don't think it will sorry to say. It doesn't have the full LED dash that comes with ID7. Even the HVAC controls are the older type without the little digital display my X5 has.
That doesn't make much sense to me as a consumer correct me if I should think any differently. The new 3 series will have a more advanced iDrive system than an M sport car that is coming out after it?
There is proof the demographics for M line and True M car owners are different.

I did not use the navigation in my f80
For awhile. I used my phone.

What I did check was tire pressure, suspension tires etc.

On a side note I've read when the engineers had a choice to make; make car luxurious or perform better they chose performance. That warms my heart.

Example rear ended axle on M3 all welded the standard 3 series is not.

Judicious use of aluminum on M3 etc

Floating calipers etc
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Nope. Scored a very, very good deal.

NOWHERE near that CAD pricing. The point is that's an expensive X3.
okay cool then these cars can at can one point be had for a very, very good deal as well. 2-3 years and they'll hit a 50% depreciation rate just like every other M model and i doubt the x3 will be the one to break the mold. apples to apples my friend.
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      02-13-2019, 11:18 AM   #255
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Nope. Scored a very, very good deal.

NOWHERE near that CAD pricing. The point is that's an expensive X3.
okay cool then these cars can at can one point be had for a very, very good deal as well. 2-3 years and they'll hit a 50% depreciation rate just like every other M model and i doubt the x3 will be the one to break the mold. apples to apples my friend.
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what's with this trend of making the wheels/tires SMALLER??! For M cars, even in the X3/4 line, they should be WIDER, not thinner.

I hope this trend doesn't continue in the M3/4 line... that would suck.

it takes away some of the aggressive and sporty look of it.
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      02-13-2019, 11:21 AM   #257
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21 inch wheels will all but destroy what little ride quality the X4 starts with
Yea I don't get why manufacturers force feed us larger wheels, so they can charge us more?
so that tires are more expensive and so the car rides like shit. the 666M rims on the F8x completely ruin that car.
I could not possibly disagree more with that statement. I had a non-ZCP and a ZCP... absolutely in no way shape or form did the 20 inch 666 M wheel ruin that car!!

17k miles and 29k miles respectively.

Did you own both to justify your statement?
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      02-13-2019, 11:39 AM   #258
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Lets compare:
BMW X3M Comp I6 503hp, 442 torque, 4620lbs, 0-60 no test data
Jaguar F Pace SVR V8 550hp, 502 torque, 4395 lbs, 0-60 no test data
Alfa Stelvio Quad V6 505hp, 443 torque, 4340 lbs, 0-60 3.3 C&D
Merc GLC AMG63S V8 503hp, 516 torque, 4517 lbs, 0-60 3.3 C&D
Porsche Macan Turbo V6 440hp, 442 torque, 4488lbs, 0-60 3.5 C&D

Good news, this segment has broken the 3.5 second mark and it looked like BMW should have been right there at 3.3 wtih the Alfa and Mercedes, BUT the weight is insane, 300 lbs heavier than the Alfa???
225 lbs heavier than the F Pace that has a V8, makes no sense. How is this heavier than a mercedes? BMW should be around 4300 lbs with these.
BMW maybe deliberately quoted the 0-60 not as aggressive as we'd like and reserving those sub 3.0s number for G8x M3/M4, wishful thinking? Was expecting X3M/X4M to be around 3.5s 0-60 official number with potent S58, then with much weight reduction on the upcoming M3/M4, we may see 2.75s 0-60.

X3M wins the heavyweight championship of all competitors at 4,620 lbs curb weight, average 300+ lbs heavier. F80 M3 is 3,605 lbs, one can only speculate if G80 M3 can remain the same weight or less (1000+ lbs reduction), we may see more aggressive 0-60 number.
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3:10 on this video to hear more of the exhaust. Sounds pretty good. More like a B58 with its deeper exhaust sound but at the end of the sound clip you can hear more of the S55's signature raspiness with higher revs under load.

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      02-13-2019, 11:42 AM   #260
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I miss the days when "M" used to mean something. Smh
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      02-13-2019, 11:50 AM   #262
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Lets compare:
BMW X3M Comp I6 503hp, 442 torque, 4620lbs, 0-60 no test data
Jaguar F Pace SVR V8 550hp, 502 torque, 4395 lbs, 0-60 no test data
Alfa Stelvio Quad V6 505hp, 443 torque, 4340 lbs, 0-60 3.3 C&D
Merc GLC AMG63S V8 503hp, 516 torque, 4517 lbs, 0-60 3.3 C&D
Porsche Macan Turbo V6 440hp, 442 torque, 4488lbs, 0-60 3.5 C&D

Good news, this segment has broken the 3.5 second mark and it looked like BMW should have been right there at 3.3 wtih the Alfa and Mercedes, BUT the weight is insane, 300 lbs heavier than the Alfa???
225 lbs heavier than the F Pace that has a V8, makes no sense. How is this heavier than a mercedes? BMW should be around 4300 lbs with these.
BMW maybe deliberately quoted the 0-60 not as aggressive as we'd like and reserving those sub 3.0s number for G8x M3/M4, wishful thinking? Was expecting X3M/X4M to be around 3.5s 0-60 official number with potent S58, then with much weight reduction on the upcoming M3/M4, we may see 2.75s 0-60.

X3M wins the heavyweight championship of all competitors at 4,620 lbs curb weight, average 300+ lbs heavier. F80 M3 is 3,605 lbs, one can only speculate if G80 M3 can remain the same weight or less (1000+ lbs reduction), we may see more aggressive 0-60 number.
Right, how does the X3M weigh 1,000 more lbs than the M3?

Look at the C63 vs GLC63
3987 for C63S
4517 for GLC63S

530 lb difference

Not that I expected X3M to weigh 4150 lbs (granted that would be awesome)
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torque max from I6/V6 turbo engines?

I noticed Audi, Porsche, Alfa, and BMW all are at 442/443 torque on their 6 cyl turbos, looks like they hit the limit!

Guess that's one big plus to the V8 (Merc 516 and Jaguar 502 torque).
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