[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by RoWoX3M

Does he fix the LCI design in your opinion? Just started following this guy.

His edit at 10:34-ish looks good, but so does the original design.

[RoWoX3M]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

His edit at 10:34-ish looks good, but so does the original design.

I'm torn with the new design. Don't mind the rear so much but overall they added more black gloss which they appear to be doing on all the G chassis. Don't love the redesign front. It looks too busy for my personal taste.

[silverathlon]

[QUOTE=RoWoX3M;27783759]Does he fix the LCI design in your opinion? Just started following this guy.

Im personally not a fan of the new tail lights so I really like what he's done with the rear.

[WagonR]

BMW's current design language is to add a lot of shapes/lines/vents/angles on the front and rear that grab your attention. Doesn't seem to matter if they're cohesive design or not, they're definitely adding more. At the same time, they've subdued the hard lines on the side along the handle line, and kind of softened the side profile. To me, it's a busy mess up front and in the back, and a slab of nothingness on the side, but that's just a personal opinion.

If you want something that stands out more than BMW used to, you're in luck. Not only do they stand out more, but they're better performing in a lot of measures than ever before. Plus the X3M LCI upgrades give you more color options, slightly updated interior, and more power. If you like the aesthetics, you're in a great spot!

If you're like me, and always loved the clean lines of BMWs, and the slight underratedness of a M3 car compared to a regular old 3 series (or in this case X3M vs X3), then I think you're out of luck. Frank Stephenson (X5 designer) has some good youtube videos on the 4 series and iX that make that make it really clear how the current design language does or doesn't interplay with the BMW of old.

Also, that's my thoughts on BMW overall right now. To me, the X3M is an even bigger mess, since this car was really generally designed around F platform styling (the 3rd gen X3 was an 18 model year), so they've put new design language G platform styling bumpers on an F platform body. They've also shoehorned a G series center stack in the F series equivalent interior. Again, if you like it, that's amazing. To me it seems like a real mess.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by RoWoX3M

Does he fix the LCI design in your opinion? Just started following this guy.

He doesn't fix it, but he makes it 90% better and his critique is dead-on.

"BMW has always been about dynamic design and this is just not that"

Nails it: 2020+ BMW product & design is a disaster

[stefan4]

I think it really needs to be seen in the flesh to really get a better idea, but after hating the G80 then loving it in the flesh I was convinced enough to order. I think the pre lci car will look a little dull next to this, and well, I am putting my money where my mouth is! Lol

Equally, I do get peoples point, the pre lci is a fabulous looking car.

[allinon72]

Originally Posted by WagonR

BMW's current design language is to add a lot of shapes/lines/vents/angles on the front and rear that grab your attention. Doesn't seem to matter if they're cohesive design or not, they're definitely adding more. At the same time, they've subdued the hard lines on the side along the handle line, and kind of softened the side profile. To me, it's a busy mess up front and in the back, and a slab of nothingness on the side, but that's just a personal opinion.

If you want something that stands out more than BMW used to, you're in luck. Not only do they stand out more, but they're better performing in a lot of measures than ever before. Plus the X3M LCI upgrades give you more color options, slightly updated interior, and more power. If you like the aesthetics, you're in a great spot!

If you're like me, and always loved the clean lines of BMWs, and the slight underratedness of a M3 car compared to a regular old 3 series (or in this case X3M vs X3), then I think you're out of luck. Frank Stephenson (X5 designer) has some good youtube videos on the 4 series and iX that make that make it really clear how the current design language does or doesn't interplay with the BMW of old.

Also, that's my thoughts on BMW overall right now. To me, the X3M is an even bigger mess, since this car was really generally designed around F platform styling (the 3rd gen X3 was an 18 model year), so they've put new design language G platform styling bumpers on an F platform body. They've also shoehorned a G series center stack in the F series equivalent interior. Again, if you like it, that's amazing. To me it seems like a real mess.

Exactly my thoughts on design - it's a mishmash of squares, circles, trapezoids, smooth lines, hard lines, proportional, disproportional, etc. Nothing flows, there is no cohesiveness, it's just a jumbled up attempt to catch your eye. More so on the G80 and new 2 Series than the F97 LCI, but clearly BMW is diving headlong into this language.

Another aspect of this that doesn't get discussed much is the fact that cars are no longer designed NA/Europe....they are designed for China.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by RoWoX3M

Does he fix the LCI design in your opinion? Just started following this guy.

This guy is an excellent sketcher and his design work as a true artist is much much better than the production version LCI. His calm vision and much simpler lines really work and flow well togther. BMW is having a bit of an identity crisis when it comes to the looks of their new cars. The E39 M5 "like this man mentioned" will be a timeless beauty for decades because it was pure untamperred with design that had lots if subtle consistency to it. Wake up BMW.

[Bufford T]

Does anyone know if there are suspension/adaptive damping changes to the new car? You'd certainly hope BMW has listened to the near universal feedback and make Comfort actually Comfortable for the daily drivers.

My car is 'currently' expected to be delivered in mid October.

[Bufford T]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Who else is interested in these wheels?

Me... I chose them for my build

[danniexi]

Originally Posted by Bufford T

Does anyone know if there are suspension/adaptive damping changes to the new car? You'd certainly hope BMW has listened to the near universal feedback and make Comfort actually Comfortable for the daily drivers.

according to the marketing bumf, the adaptive suspension has been “refined” for improved driving comfort.

[Bufford T]

Originally Posted by danniexi

according to the marketing bumf, the adaptive suspension has been “refined” for improved driving comfort.

Originally Posted by danniexi

according to the marketing bumf, the adaptive suspension has been "refined" for improved driving comfort.

Thanks, yes we can only hope they've listened

[Bufford T]

Originally Posted by TallPaulEssexUK

Surprised to read so many negative comments about the new X4, I get it though, it's a bit of a Marmite car (hope this translates to the folks outside the UK).
We I'm ordering one in Brooklyn Grey and I think it looks the nuts! Gotta wait until at least Sept but I think it will be worth the wait and looking forward to feeling the difference between my current X4 M40i. I have had 3 X4's now, started with the 3.0dM, then went down to a 2.0d M (rookie mistake I know) and then the previously mentioned M40i which I love.
I'll update you all when it's delivered,

Any suggestions on the options are well received? Any negativity please save it as i'm too old for that sh1t.

TallPaul

I went with Carbon Black, but I really like Brooklyn Grey. It was a very close call... and I love Marmite! (but I am a Brit)

[DCC]

Originally Posted by Bufford T

I went with Carbon Black, but I really like Brooklyn Grey. It was a very close call... and I love Marmite! (but I am a Brit)

Bovril for me

[///M-Life]

Is there an option for “full leather” for the 2022 LCI? Has anyone seen a build guide?

[stefan4]

Originally Posted by ///M-Life

Is there an option for “full leather” for the 2022 LCI? Has anyone seen a build guide?

Someone has suggested the leather/Alcantara option gives 'full leather' having never seen it I dont know. However I have ordered this option. Perhaps someone could confirm from Pre lci builds

[TallPaulEssexUK]

Originally Posted by Bufford T

I went with Carbon Black, but I really like Brooklyn Grey. It was a very close call... and I love Marmite! (but I am a Brit)

I have the Carbon Black now, IMO it's more blue so fancied something completely different in the Brooklyn Grey. I also went for the Orange interior and Red calipers and a sun roof.

[Vastyle]

Order in! Brookyln Grey with Adelaide. Stoked!

[M4Ghost]

[M4Ghost]

[DenverSteve]

It still looks great to me.

[PAS]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

This guy is an excellent sketcher and his design work as a true artist is much much better than the production version LCI. His calm vision and much simpler lines really work and flow well togther. BMW is having a bit of an identity crisis when it comes to the looks of their new cars. The E39 M5 "like this man mentioned" will be a timeless beauty for decades because it was pure untamperred with design that had lots if subtle consistency to it. Wake up BMW.

Not sure, for me if you removed badges from any BMW currently 9 times out of 10 you would guess the manufacturer. I think new BMW's have always been somewhat hit and miss. Over time they have mostly stood up well though. I remember when they went e30>e36 and e46>e90 (and plenty other updates) the out cry was huge but fair play to them for trying something different, Bangle's designs are all over other car makers designs now.

The F10 M5 is very similar to the E39 M5 in terms of clean lines and subtly but it is not 'currently' as fondly remembered as the E39. When my current car (UK spec M140i 5door) first went on sale, again due to the mixture of the headlights and tail-lights it wasn't well received, over time/LCI updates and a new 1 series which is front wheel drive the F20/21 is going to become another 'last of an era' BMW which will no doubt be highly regarded by future generations...just in time for me to sell it to get a new X3 At least I know I am going to be driving another damn good car