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      02-26-2020, 08:47 PM   #1
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Which oil do you use if not the BMW brand?

The BMW Longlife-14FE+ SAE 0W-20 oil (I hear) is not fully synthetic, but a semi-synthetic blend. Can someone definitively verify that for me? I have seen several sources that confirm it's a blend, but then I also see things like this:

https://www.amazon.com/BMW-83-21-2-3.../dp/B01IFJ50AW

In any case... I am interested in running fully synthetic oil. What do you recomend? Liqui Moly? Pennzoil? Fuchs? Castrol? Motul? Amsoil?

I also see this which, I assume, means the LL-14 is not important?

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/g...enance/1PSryV8

Also, is the Mann HU 6022 Z oil filter just an OEM replacement, or are they the actual supplier that is making the exact same BMW branded filters FOR BMW?

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I also wish I knew what to use. Pennzoil, Quaker State,Mobil 1,Valvoline in full synthetic form do not have BMW approvals even though they are approved for VW, Porsche,Audi ,etc. I believe there is a euro Castrol 0w30 that is approved as well as Motul, and Fuchs as well as the dealer brand of course. Ive emailed a couple manufacturers and have had no replies.The Mann filter is fine although I'm quite sure Mahle is the oem supplier. Hengst is another.
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Haha, timely:

https://old.reddit.com/r/BmwTech/com..._on_your_cars/
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Total Ineo MC3....it’s LL04....And I don’t burn a drop on a 10,000km interval. Once our other vehicles are off free maint, they will receive the same.

https://www.bimmerworld.com/Fluids/Oils/
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My friend is a mechanic, and he gets good deals from local parts stores, he always brings me castroil 5 30, aboslutly no problems, and i get it pritty cheap.
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Not all Castrol Synthetic is created equal.... Although fine at the intervals I go with, if it’s not properly rated, I personally don’t use it. That means cheap Costco changes are out... but I do out of warranty changes myself anyway...
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https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...e-bmw-ll-17-fe
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Total Ineo MC3....it’s LL04....And I don’t burn a drop on a 10,000km interval. Once our other vehicles are off free maint, they will receive the same.

https://www.bimmerworld.com/Fluids/Oils/
B58 calls for LL14?
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My friend is a mechanic, and he gets good deals from local parts stores, he always brings me castroil 5 30, aboslutly no problems, and i get it pritty cheap.
Engine prescribes 0W-20.
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Engine prescribes 0W-20.
I'm new to the M40i world....to be honest...didn't know till now it was a 0W20 fill.

Looking at the specs...its bog standard ACEA A1/B1...not ACEA A3/B3-B4..usually used in performance engines...(High Temp-High Shear oil)

I think I will be going with something that remains A3/B3 etc...once out of the free maint years...

It is going to take quite a mind-shift to suddenly believe A1/B1 is good enough...
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B58 calls for LL14?
Ll 17 is the newest I believe for engines with particulate filters.
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      02-27-2020, 12:15 PM   #12
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Ll 17 is the newest I believe for engines with particulate filters.
Isn't that meant for diesels?
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Isn't that meant for diesels?

https://www.lubrizoladditives360.com...onglife-17-fe/

"BMW Longlife 17 FE oils are Premium lower SAPS1 lubricants. They are designed for use in the latest BMW gasoline engines and light-duty diesel engines with gasoline or diesel particulate filters."

I can live with this stuff...https://catalog.lubricants.total.com...DYNAMICS-0W-20 https://automotocanada.ca/en/produit...amics-0w-20-2/

http://www.lubs-products-database.to...ls/26000/26299

Manual states LL01- FE and 14 FE, alternates listed as SAE 0-20 and 30....

BMW Engine Oil LL-17 FE+ 0W20 SAE 0W-20

From link below:

"BMW TwinPower Turbo LL-17 FE+ 0W-20
BMW Engine Oil LL-17 FE+ 0W20 SAE 0W-20
83 21 2 463 695**

Trade name BMW part number Container
BMW GROUP LL-17 FE+ 0W-20 209 litres
BMW GROUP LL-17 FE+ 0W-20 Fuel tank
MINI Engine Oil LL-17 FE+ 0W20 SAE 0W-20
83 21 22 463 696**
Trade name BMW part number Container
MINI Original Engine Oil LL-17 FE+ 0W-20 1 litre

Named approved oils:
Trade name Viscosity Producer
ELF EVOLUTION FULL-TECH APX SAE 0W-20 TOTAL Lubrifiants
Mabanol Xenon Alpha FE SAE 0W-20 Mabanol GmbH & Co. KG
RAVENOL EFS SAE 0W-20 Ravensberger Schmierstoffvertrieb GmbH
ROWE HIGHTEC SYNT RS C5 SAE 0W-20 ROWE MINERALÖLWERK GMBH
SRS ViVA 1 ecosynth FE SAE 0W-20 SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH
TOTAL QUARTZ INEO DYNAMICS SAE 0W-20 TOTAL Lubrifiants"

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...ine/1VncAYo9NI

Didn't think I would get back on the Oil Goat Rodeo...Live and Learn...

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      02-27-2020, 02:08 PM   #14
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Can anyone knowledgeable chime in on whether or not the BMW oil is fully synthetic or a semi synthetic blend?
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      02-27-2020, 09:21 PM   #15
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I can live with this stuff...https://catalog.lubricants.total.com...DYNAMICS-0W-20 https://automotocanada.ca/en/produit...amics-0w-20-2/


Didn't think I would get back on the Oil Goat Rodeo...Live and Learn...
You Canucs have all the luck. First, I can't get ART Replica wheels here in the states and now you've locked down my BMW approved cheap 0W-20 oil! Although I did find a place with 5 liters for $35 but shipping will almost double the cost.
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Can anyone knowledgeable chime in on whether or not the BMW oil is fully synthetic or a semi synthetic blend?
From their literature:
Full synthetic BMW motor oil used by the BMW dealer network for services, offers advanced protection and performance in turbocharged and naturally aspirated engines

The BMW Longlife-17FE TwinPower Turbo SAE 0W-20 is an engine oil based on synthetic technology. It guarantees outstanding engine performance, achieving an excellent price/performance ratio. The innovative Shell PurePlus technology guarantees engine protection that exceeds conventional industry standards and which keeps critical engine parts cleaner.
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Let me rephrase, does anyone know if BMW oil is Group 4 or 5, or Group 3? (I'm guessing 3)

"Did you know that 80-90% of an engine oil is Base Stock? The rest is made up of Additives. So to be the best synthetic, you would think you would need to have the best synthetic base stock as a start.

Particularly PolyAlphaOlefins (PAO – Group IV), Esters and utilization of Alkylated Naphthalene’s. (Group V). These were the original synthetic base stocks as tailor made from building blocks using chemical processes to create the “perfect” oil molecule.

However, hydrocracked base stocks (Group III) can nowadays also be marketed as synthetic but are still mineral oil based."

https://bestsyntheticoilguide.com/sy...synthetic-oil/
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Looks like it's Group 3. Damn.

"Base Stock is the material that oil starts from - petroleum-based or true synthetic. All oil is classified under one of five Groups, I-V. Groups IV and V are full synthetic and have no petroleum base. They use synthetics that are more resistant to heat and stress than petroleum-based oil. High Performance and Racing oil are almost always Group IV or V.

Groups I, II, III are all petroleum-based with III being the highest quality. All BMW-approved oils are Group III yet are still marketed as synthetic oils. This is to avoid confusion with the different base stocks of Group IV (PAO) and V (ester). Any oil brand that wishes to be approved by BMW must be a Group III base stock. So it's common to see premium high performance oil that is better than BMW oil but does not have BMW approval. Red Line Oil encountered this with their own High Performance oil that could not be BMW approved due to their Group IV and V base stock. They had to formulate a different oil with a Group III base to get the BMW approval (Red Line Professional Series). This oil actually performs worse than their High Performance oil in laboratory tests but carries the BMW stamp of approval."

https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Engine-Oil/
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In any case... I am interested in running fully synthetic oil. What do you recomend? Liqui Moly? Pennzoil? Fuchs? Castrol? Motul? Amsoil?
I guess we're full circle. Does anyone knowledgeable have a recommendation for a Group 4 or 5 full synthetic that is the Equivalent of 0W-20 LL-14 Fe+?
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According to this article, might be best to avoid group 5:

https://blog.amsoil.com/are-all-synt...ii-vs-iv-vs-v/

Sorry for spamming, hoping this is eventually a good thread to reference for people that have oil questions in the future.
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I’ll be keeping my life simple...Total first pick and followed by Ravenol...My go to brands for my X6M...I’ll be dropping the oil in our M40i at 3000 miles or so...I’ll use the Total.
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Thinking about this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Liquimoly-220..._dp&th=1&psc=1

Seems like a good brand. Yea or nay?
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