[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Spunty, you need to get an F97 and flash tune it. It will blow your mind. All these random people talking trash about X3M and BMW M SUVs have no effing clue. Maybe they are 60+, I don't know, but I seriously don't understand how you dislike a great performer like X3M.

It didn't exist in 2017 when I was looking. Macan was king of the hill then. I absolutely love the X3M, and it might replace my F80 next year. Love following your build so far! Will just depend on if I like the F90 enough, which I haven't test driven yet. Whichever one I get will absolutely get tuned.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Lol, you have no damn clue. Macan is more comfortable due to the air suspension but X3M drives sportier and handles better with its adaptive M suspension. You and your buddy jstein55 just hop from thread to thread and contaminate them with the same baseless BMW-directed negativity. It makes no damn sense.

I don't have air suspension on mine, just PASM. It rides well: comfortable for long trips, handles very well, and stiffens up when needed. I found the rear seats on X3 too stiff. It offers much more bang for the $ and has a lot of tech standard. Then again Porsche was never known for offering value. They're all about the driving experience. I knew that going in after debating X3 and SQ5. No regrets. I love my Macan and those that have rode in it loved it too. I like how surprised 911 and Cayman owners are when we go on runs because they didn't think it can keep up. Every now and then I meet people that own both 911 and a Macan and they know how well made those cars are.

Someone mentioned it here but worth noting that the current Macan is based on Audi's old platform. It definitely needs an upgrade in terms of performance and the new chassis. Wouldn't be surprised if the next Macan S is closer to 400 HP.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

It's pretty reliable from what I've heard. JD ratings have Porsche at top 5. The main thing is the transfer case. Some cars have issues with it going bad (like BMW fuel pumps) but it's covered by Porsche. No other issues outside of that.

This. I'm planning on keeping ours too. It's just perfect, and so well balanced. Only issues are the transfer case, and the timing chain cover. Case is covered under warranty.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

It didn't exist in 2017 when I was looking. Macan was king of the hill then. I absolutely love the X3M, and it might replace my F80 next year. Love following your build so far! Will just depend on if I like the F90 enough, which I haven't test driven yet. Whichever one I get will absolutely get tuned.

Get both . I will definitely keep the F97 as my daily and I'm adding the post-LCI F90.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Get both . I will definitely keep the F97 as my daily and I'm adding the post-LCI F90.

Ha! I'm going to tell the wife I need both now

[imahobo]

Originally Posted by sayemthree

Wow. How embarrassing for Porsche and Porsche owners. I wonder what excuses they are making up on the Mecan forum

The excuse is that the Porsche is made far better in engineering, construction and tolerances, while the BMW looks like a soccer mom's vehicle.
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[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by imahobo

The excuse is that the Porsche is made far better in engineering, construction and tolerances, while the BMW looks like a soccer mom's vehicle.
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You know - I am going to agree on this. BMW is new, has more tech in it, more power.

I have an M2 and a Cayenne. M2 is faster etc... You know the car I look back at after I lock is the cayenne. the one I prefer to drive is the cayenne, overall best car of my lot is the cayenne. M2 handles better now after nearly 6000 $ of suspension work. LOL There is a reason why porsche is so expensive.

I'd like to see a M8comp go against a turbo S. LOL or a gt3, which is the same price or near to an M8.

Anyhow both are very different brands. One I choose going forward is Porsche. M2 really made me dislike BMW.

[Longboarder]

Hey guys question about the X3M. I test drove one given all the rave reviews. The thing that bothered me the most (besides the really small driver seat) was if I mashed the gas from a stop - the car would very slowly get to 20mph and then whooosh take off very quickly. I timed it around 3 seconds from 0-20mph. I'm sure brake boosting/launch control would eliminate this, but sometimes u just need to floor it without bothering with brake boost/LC. And It didn't matter what mode I was in...comfort, sport, auto, manual. I tried everything. Obviously the auto start/stop was turned off.

The lag was also apparent just cruising and then I'd mash the gas and the car would spool for at least a second before it would do it's thing of downshifting and building boost. It was so bad I passed and am fearful the new M3 will drive like this too.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Hey guys question about the X3M. I test drove one given all the rave reviews. The thing that bothered me the most (besides the really small driver seat) was if I mashed the gas from a stop - the car would very slowly get to 20mph and then whooosh take off very quickly. I timed it around 3 seconds from 0-20mph. I'm sure brake boosting/launch control would eliminate this, but sometimes u just need to floor it without bothering with brake boost/LC. And It didn't matter what mode I was in...comfort, sport, auto, manual. I tried everything. Obviously the auto start/stop was turned off.

The lag was also apparent just cruising and then I'd mash the gas and the car would spool for at least a second before it would do it's thing of downshifting and building boost. It was so bad I passed and am fearful the new M3 will drive like this too.

There is a little bit of lag but it should never be 3 seconds from 0-20 lol.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

There is a little bit of lag but it should never be 3 seconds from 0-20 lol.

I was tempted to go home and get my dragy to prove it but I didnt. Maybe someone with a dragy can try this. My method of counting 1- mississippi, 2-mississippi, 3-mississippi is not as scientific lol. But it seemed like forever...that's my point.

[_x3M_Competition]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

I was tempted to go home and get my dragy to prove it but I didnt. Maybe someone with a dragy can try this. My method of counting 1- mississippi, 2-mississippi, 3-mississippi is not as scientific lol. But it seemed like forever...that's my point.

I've never experienced this, even with the engine in efficient and drivelogic set at 1.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

I was tempted to go home and get my dragy to prove it but I didnt. Maybe someone with a dragy can try this. My method of counting 1- mississippi, 2-mississippi, 3-mississippi is not as scientific lol. But it seemed like forever...that's my point.

I did a ton of runs. Even without any LC and BB it is still a 4+ sec 0-60 mph vehicle. So the lag cannot be very dramatic. It is true, however, that there is a significant torque influx at 3-4k rpm that makes you perceive the start as laggy. The advantage is that you get tons of high end power where other engines start tapering off.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Disagree. ZF8 is currently the benchmark in terms of speed and performance. It may not feel as spectacular and exciting as PDK but it's extremely well performing.

This response makes zero sense. The PDK is faster and more "spectacular" than the ZF8, but somehow the ZF8 is the benchmark?

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Saying a Macan buyers are only buying the "badge" and an X3 for the same money is better, is exactly the same argument Mustang drivers say about the 4 Series. There's no comparison in terms of subjective aspects of the two. A Macan is clearly a step above than an X3, that is why they demand a higher price while being not the quickest or perhaps best handling. The Macan interior alone is a step above.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

This response makes zero sense. The PDK is faster and more "spectacular" than the ZF8, but somehow the ZF8 is the benchmark?

I don't know if PDK is much faster, but it definitely feels more spectacular. ZF8 is extremely fast, smooth, and reliable and much better than the old BMW DCTs. X3M's ZF8 can also easily take all the extra torque that comes with a flash tune. Also consider that Macan PDK and GT3 PDK are not the same model.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

I did a ton of runs. Even without any LC and BB it is still a 4+ sec 0-60 mph vehicle. So the lag cannot be very dramatic. It is true, however, that there is a significant torque influx at 3-4k rpm that makes you perceive the start as laggy. The advantage is that you get tons of high end power where other engines start tapering off.

Well then the car I test drove was very different than your car. I launched the car over 20 times on the test drive until the BMW SA started getting sick. He was annoyed at the lag too. Not mad at me he was having fun. But he was helping time the 0-20 and 0-60mph so while I don't doubt your claim, the car I drove was more like 3 seconds to 20 and we got more than 5 seconds to 60. Brake boost was better obviously.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Well then the car I test drove was very different than your car. I launched the car over 20 times on the test drive until the BMW SA started getting sick. He was annoyed at the lag too. Not mad at me he was having fun. But he was helping time the 0-20 and 0-60mph so while I don't doubt your claim, the car I drove was more like 3 seconds to 20 and we got more than 5 seconds to 60. Brake boost was better obviously.

Maybe that dealership put the cheapest gas in that car, I don't know. Dealerships tend to do this.

[Logical]

The Macan is hideous to the eyes and the track! Garbage

[sd306]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Well then the car I test drove was very different than your car. I launched the car over 20 times on the test drive until the BMW SA started getting sick. He was annoyed at the lag too. Not mad at me he was having fun. But he was helping time the 0-20 and 0-60mph so while I don't doubt your claim, the car I drove was more like 3 seconds to 20 and we got more than 5 seconds to 60. Brake boost was better obviously.

Did you turn the transmission speed to "3" and engine to sport plus? I understand the lag feeling coming from an n55 that had a lot of low end torque. Pic is with launch control. I've also got 4.4 with just smashing the gas. This is stage 1 tune - e30 map. So yes faster but not huge 0-60 difference.

[sd306]

Macan is boring and slow for how much it is. Stock x4m feels slow - though it's not.

[beammeupscottie]

Not even worth the petro... #nocontest

[330dMSXD]

Did I hear him say 'both' have V6 twin turbo engines?