[jpan08]

Wow. Porsche needs to step up its performance game

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

Yep. This is true for the Cayenne and the Panny as well.

The Cayenne Turbo is 541hp, the Turbo S E Hybrid is 670hp, so while being very expensive compared to the X5, they aren't down on power. I am going Cayenne over X5 for my next car because of the handling, even though the X5 would be considerably cheaper. Porsche handling is worlds ahead, at least in the larger SUVs. Never looked at a Macan as it is way too small and overpriced.

[///AVM]

What is the point of this video and thread?

Two SUVs at the drag strip is stupid from the outset.

I am sure both the X3M and Macan Turbo are GREAT SUVs, but neither is remotely intended to be a dragster or track vehicle . . . unless that is where consumers are driving there kids around these days and picking up groceries?

///AVM

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

What is the point of this video and thread?

Two SUVs at the drag strip is stupid from the outset.

I am sure both the X3M and Macan Turbo are GREAT SUVs, but neither is remotely intended to be a dragster or track vehicle . . . unless that is where consumers are driving there kids around these days and picking up groceries?

///AVM

man, turns out they are both quicker than your poor man's 911.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

The Cayenne Turbo is 541hp, the Turbo S E Hybrid is 670hp, so while being very expensive compared to the X5, they aren't down on power. I am going Cayenne over X5 for my next car because of the handling, even though the X5 would be considerably cheaper. Porsche handling is worlds ahead, at least in the larger SUVs. Never looked at a Macan as it is way too small and overpriced.

They are down on power compared to their price/competition.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

They are down on power compared to their price/competition.

It does depend on what you are considering their competition. For some people it is the X5 and GLE that are competitors, for others it a Lamborghini Urus (at least for the Turbo S E Hybrid). Once you hit the Cayenne Turbo, you are probably looking at an X5M or GLE 63S and the price delta starts decreasing a bit. The E Hybrid I have in order is comparable more to the M50i in both power and price, than it is to the 45e. Porsche definitely overcharges, but I test drove many vehicles, and ended up dropping my allocation on an MB G550 to go with the Cayenne. I technically have a 45e on order, as my SA allowed me to customize an allocation in order to do a test drive, but other than being $30,000 cheaper, it doesn't interest me as much (now, if BMWNA would allow DHP and other options in the US market, it may have had more of a chance).

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by robopp

Macan PDK is infinitely better than the X3M ZF8 and pretty much any auto on the market. Motor wise the BMW shines though.

I'm not a Porsche expert but have read a few times that the 7-speed PDK in the Macan is a Porsche programmed Audi DSG and not the same PDK used in their cars.

[BMW F22]

Macan S owner here. After 15 years of BMW I grew tired of the brand. Had an issue with my 3 years old M235i and BMWNA wouldn't lemon it after 7-8 dealer visits over 2 months. Their entire lineup is getting ridiculous with everything from series 1 to infinity with little differentiation. And don't get me started on the giant grills trend. I was looking for a new car and test drove everything I can get my hands on. The X3 M40i was a top contender. I didn't car for the same old interior, the stiffer ride and backseats, or the raspy exhaust. It's a fast car and definitely more bang for the buck vs Porsche Macan S. Ultimately, I liked everything on the Macan better even if it's slower. How often are you going to run 0-60? At every stoplight? Lol

Porsche owners know what they're spending money on. If they're just looking for 0-60 speed outright then BMW offers more value, but the same argument has been made about BMW vs American or Japanese cars. I'm sure those folks are "laughing" at BMW owners spending so much on their cars as well. Anyhow, I've had a much better experience overall so far with Porsche, PCA, friends, connections, etc. No excuses need to be made. If you like BMW then that's fine. Others prefer Porsche and are willing to pay more even for less performance. It's like Apple: people pay more for their phones vs Android for the ease of use, reliability, quality, etc. even though it might not be as fast as Android. I stick around here though because I've been here since 2005 but haven't been too active.

[dhurng]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

What is the point of this video and thread?

Two SUVs at the drag strip is stupid from the outset.

I am sure both the X3M and Macan Turbo are GREAT SUVs, but neither is remotely intended to be a dragster or track vehicle . . . unless that is where consumers are driving there kids around these days and picking up groceries?

///AVM

I'm not sure if that was a rhetorical question or not, but I pray it is.

I am extremely shocked you aren't aware of where the market has been heading towards in the past 5 years or so. If you literally read anything about anything, it's fairly obvious.

I'm usually not one to also instigate anything either nor am I attempting to, but this question made me cringe so much I just had to say something lol. I'm not even trying to pick a side or prove a point but except to say..

You are so naive loll

It's like me saying "wow I wonder why stores are all closing, it's so pointless to me...is there a pandemic going on or something?"

[Germanauto]

Anybody who has owned a Macan or driven one extensively knows what's special about it. The X3M is a great car, but the Macan will be more rewarding to drive once the road turns. BMW is no longer an automaker that delivers visceral driving engagement.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I'm not a Porsche expert but have read a few times that the 7-speed PDK in the Macan is a Porsche programmed Audi DSG and not the same PDK used in their cars.

Definitely not the case. I drove a Macan GTS for a couple weeks while vacationing in Sonoma in Feb and owned an Audi RS3 for the past three years before the X3MC. The PDK is so much better than the RS3. This is going to sound ridiculous, but it really is telepathic. It always knew what gear to be in and the shifts are so quick and crisp. The STronic in the RS3 is an amazing transmission too, but definitely not on the same level as a PDK.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Yes, it's the same 2.9L engine but it was inexplicably detuned in comparison to its Audi application. Actually, the detuned 2.9L is around 100 hp behind the Comp S58. I think Macan Turbo buyers don't really care. They just want that Porsche badge.

This is why enthusiasts get the GTS

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by robopp

Definitely not the case. I drove a Macan GTS for a couple weeks while vacationing in Sonoma in Feb and owned an Audi RS3 for the past three years before the X3MC. The PDK is so much better than the RS3. This is going to sound ridiculous, but it really is telepathic. It always knew what gear to be in and the shifts are so quick and crisp. The STronic in the RS3 is an amazing transmission too, but definitely not on the same level as a PDK.

The PDK is insanely good. Telepathic is an understatement. Big part of why I got one of these.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I'm not a Porsche expert but have read a few times that the 7-speed PDK in the Macan is a Porsche programmed Audi DSG and not the same PDK used in their cars.

It basically is. Def not the same one from the Panamera. It's kind of a hybrid of that PDK and the Audi DSG.

[JCZ5]

Good thing there was no Tesla model X, would have shown the Germans, Silicon Valley does it better 😂

Regardless, I do agree the Macan would handle much better in terms of refinement and dynamic driving.

But it is not to say the X3M is a hellova value proposition. Reminds me how American muscle cars use to excel on the value quotient. Looks like even within the German brands, there are some similar parallels.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

This is why enthusiasts get the GTS

Spunty, you need to get an F97 and flash tune it. It will blow your mind. All these random people talking trash about X3M and BMW M SUVs have no effing clue. Maybe they are 60+, I don't know, but I seriously don't understand how you dislike a great performer like X3M.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Anybody who has owned a Macan or driven one extensively knows what's special about it. The X3M is a great car, but the Macan will be more rewarding to drive once the road turns. BMW is no longer an automaker that delivers visceral driving engagement.

It's a nice vehicle. So understated. I can go on canyon drives and keep up with other Porsches like 911 and Cayman (have also led them on driving events as well), and then head straight to the beach or take it camping. I'm very happy with the car. I plan to keep it for a long time and add either a Cayman GTS or 911 GTS in the future.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

It's a nice vehicle. So understated. I can go on canyon drives and keep up with other Porsches like 911 and Cayman (have also led them on driving events as well), and then head straight to the beach or take it camping. I'm very happy with the car. I plan to keep it for a long time and add either a Cayman GTS or 911 GTS in the future.

What have you heard about reliability? My father is 10 months into an S so he's got a couple years before the lease expires, but he loves it and will consider keeping it for the long-term. However we have been burned so badly by BMW maintenance that it's difficult to go down the road of "German car out of warranty" again.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Anybody who has owned a Macan or driven one extensively knows what's special about it. The X3M is a great car, but the Macan will be more rewarding to drive once the road turns. BMW is no longer an automaker that delivers visceral driving engagement.

Lol, you have no damn clue. Macan is more comfortable due to the air suspension but X3M drives sportier and handles better with its adaptive M suspension. You and your buddy jstein55 just hop from thread to thread and contaminate them with the same baseless BMW-directed negativity. It makes no damn sense.

[GOLFFRR]

car is a little beast! I love driving these, def wouldn't mind having one for a personal car anyday!

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

What have you heard about reliability? My father is 10 months into an S so he's got a couple years before the lease expires, but he loves it and will consider keeping it for the long-term. However we have been burned so badly by BMW maintenance that it's difficult to go down the road of "German car out of warranty" again.

It's pretty reliable from what I've heard. JD ratings have Porsche at top 5. The main thing is the transfer case. Some cars have issues with it going bad (like BMW fuel pumps) but it's covered by Porsche. No other issues outside of that.

[Alex_bm]

Don't believe Macan was meant to be extremely sporty in any trim. Porsche has other cars for that purpose.
In terms of value, if you bought Macan GTS which roughly the same price as X3M and you sold 3 years later you would be in much better shape compared to selling any BMW at the same mark.

Also Macan S is significantly cheaper than X3M. At least here in Canada.

Originally Posted by spta97

What is laughable is how slow the Macan S is, at the same price as the X3M.

The Turbo, at what, $100k, is embarrassing.

I was so underwhelmed with the Macan S it sullied my view of Porsche.