[JB20DGM]

Originally Posted by x3mdustin

I always use Amsoil products in all my motors.

And they recently started offering a 0w30 euro spec oil which I'm pretty happy about.

[Jnat]

Shell Rotella T6 5-40 for me in five boosted Bimmers and three boosted Suby's, all is well...

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Jnat

Rotella T6 5-40 on every turbo vehicle I've owned (four bimmers and three wrx/sti's) including this one and it's been good to them to date... most in bmw land don't like this oil... i do

Just FYI, Rotella is an objectively bad oil. It would not pass any Euro tests, it has high Noack, tendency to aerate, old/cheap additive package, etc. I would never recommend anyone run this oil in any BMW. It’s a cheap diesel oil and that’s where it belongs.

[joebie3]

Originally Posted by chris719

Just FYI, Rotella is an objectively bad oil. It would not pass any Euro tests, it has high Noack, tendency to aerate, old/cheap additive package, etc. I would never recommend anyone run this oil in any BMW. It’s a cheap diesel oil and that’s where it belongs.

I heard somewhere along the line the formulation for T6 got changed, prior to that it was one of the more highly recommended oils for Subaru's. I haven't run it in mine since the motor rebuild ~2016 (i.e. regular maintenance LOL) switched to Motul 8100 Excess 5/40.

[Jnat]

Originally Posted by chris719

Just FYI, Rotella is an objectively bad oil. It would not pass any Euro tests, it has high Noack, tendency to aerate, old/cheap additive package, etc. I would never recommend anyone run this oil in any BMW. It’s a cheap diesel oil and that’s where it belongs.

No problems here with objectivity and yes I read that the formulation changed a few years ago... I've used it for as long as I stated and I've been happy with the way my engines have stayed together/clean ect::: all modded including turbo upgrades::: I can now add a high HP Golf R and a high horsepower G70 3.3 to the list, clean and mean and don't use any oil between changes btw.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Jnat

No problems here with objectivity and yes I read that the formulation changed a few years ago... I've used it for as long as I stated and I've been happy with the way my engines have stayed together/clean ect::: all modded including turbo upgrades::: I can now add a high HP Golf R and a high horsepower G70 3.3 to the list, clean and mean and don't use any oil between changes btw.

It may not have killed your engines, but it is an inexpensive formula and if it were better than any LL-01/04 oil then Shell would love to sell it for Euro cars, sports cars, etc. I would not use it personally at any price and think your luck is due to your diligent maintenance and frequent changes, but I’m glad it’s working for you at least. Your valvetrain may be clean but I’d like to see your cams and rod bearings.

[Jnat]

Originally Posted by chris719

It may not have killed your engines, but it is an inexpensive formula and if it were better than any LL-01/04 oil then Shell would love to sell it for Euro cars, sports cars, etc. I would not use it personally at any price and think your luck is due to your diligent maintenance and frequent changes, but I’m glad it’s working for you at least. Your valvetrain may be clean but I’d like to see your cams and rod bearings.

Noted... i get what you're saying and by rule you're correct. Maybe i'll consider a change but i don't see myself coming off 5-40...

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Jnat

Noted... i get what you're saying and by rule you're correct. Maybe i'll consider a change but i don't see myself coming off 5/40...

I’m good with 5W-40, I’d just use PP Euro, M1 FS, or Motul XCess Gen2 5W-40.

[Potatohead-M2]

Engine calls for LL-01FE, or LL-01 as alternate. I don’t know why anyone would use anything outside of those, there are lots of options.

[Th3Walrus]

Originally Posted by Potatohead-M2

Engine calls for LL-01FE, or LL-01 as alternate. I don’t know why anyone would use anything outside of those, there are lots of options.

Have you brought yours in for an oil change yet? They now put in 0w20 LL-17 FE+. I'm not sure about the states, but here in Canada they changed the spec a year or two ago.

When mine goes in I'll be asking them to put a note on my file to stick with 0w30 instead.

[Potatohead-M2]

Originally Posted by Th3Walrus

Have you brought yours in for an oil change yet? They now put in 0w20 LL-17 FE+. I'm not sure about the states, but here in Canada they changed the spec a year or two ago.

When mine goes in I'll be asking them to put a note on my file to stick with 0w30 instead.

Hmm... Interesting. That is the correct spec for the B58, but I had never heard about that for S58. With that said, when I bought mine it did have a quart of genuine 0w20 in the back, which I thought was odd. Being a new car to me I changed it myself to Motul Specific 0w30 LL-01FE a few weeks after I bought it.

[JB20DGM]

All my oil changes at the dealer have been with 0w30 LL-01FE. When I got a bottle of top off oil initially from parts they gave me 0w20 because they just looked up a regular X3 (M40i probably). I brought it back to parts and they admitted it was wrong and replaced it with 0w30.

[JDS]

Just a quick response on the (much earlier) comment that BMW is extending the time/mileage between services/oil changes because servicing is included.

Please note that servicing is not included in every geography. Here in the UK, we pay for every oil change, and every other service element, from day 1 of ownership.

The included servicing is something related to them trying to remain competitive in the various markets we are in, e.g., USA. I lived there for 15 years and loved the included servicing. Therefore market, and included or excluded servicing doesn’t change the BMW engineers’ recommendations for the oil in our vehicles.

[hybridel]

This topic has been beaten to death.

Nobody knows the engine better than the engineers who designed it.

Stick with the manufacturer-recommended oil.



BMW has ridiculous oil change intervals, so I change it early.

[Dawgz]

Originally Posted by hybridel

This topic has been beaten to death.

Nobody knows the engine better than the engineers who designed it.

Stick with the manufacturer-recommended oil.



BMW has ridiculous oil change intervals, so I change it early.

Your statements kind of contradict themselves. lol

no one knows better than the engineers, so stick with their recommended oil but don't stick with their recommended intervals.

I totally get what you mean, but, lets face it...the interval is not for longevity.

The recommended oil is not for longevity.

[omniphil]

Originally Posted by Dawgz

Your statements kind of contradict themselves. lol

no one knows better than the engineers, so stick with their recommended oil but don't stick with their recommended intervals.

I totally get what you mean, but, lets face it...the interval is not for longevity.

The recommended oil is not for longevity.

Very much true, the recommended oil is for CAFE regulations, not engine longevity.

I would use what the engineers recommend as well, but I doubt the decision to use 0W-30 was theirs.

[gregy]

I watched this video about M1 Euro 0w40, says its not ideal for direct injection engines. I've used M1 0W40 for a very long time in several other cars.