[MightyOF80]

Originally Posted by elitex

Agreed. Tuned vs stock doesn't make any sense. I had a highly modded civic walk my 570S on a roll race.... Still a civic.

Yeah, I wouldn't mess with a Civic hatch in my F80. :

[Mr. Hankey]

Yeah try this with non-tuned X3M and a C4S....both cars who presumably would have the manufacturer still covering the engine warranty...X3M is impressive no doubt despite the slush box (drag raced one)...if you could have only 1 vehicle and lived with snow, this might be it, but the C4 could be it as well

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Mako

maybe the AWD makes a big difference, the video wasn't the 4S
I mean Porsche does charge around $7,000 for AWD, gotta do something

not sure BMW used launch control either, as it looked like it only revd for a split second before launch. C&D did 3.3 with launch and 4.6 without which seems right with the lag. Granted this one did have probably 50-100 more hp
Porsche with LC and AWD is a monster and thought I saw times of around 3 seconds flat

C2S has been tested at 3 flat and 11.1. Rear engine car doesnt lose grip. This is a ridiculous video

If you believe any BMW can hold a candle to a 911 in driving dynamics/steering/pdk, drive them both. No comparison and X3M is nowhere near as quick as a 911. Like I said stupid video..

X3M is a phenomenal suv - handles is very fast but comparison to a 911 is just plain stupid

[SeanWRT]

Keep in mind the Porsche 9A2 engine has similar tuning potential than the S58 if not better...

[yk36]

Originally Posted by LSM

C2S has been tested at 3 flat and 11.1. Rear engine car doesnt lose grip. This is a ridiculous video

If you believe any BMW can hold a candle to a 911 in driving dynamics/steering/pdk, drive them both. No comparison and X3M is nowhere near as quick as a 911. Like I said stupid video..

X3M is a phenomenal suv - handles is very fast but comparison to a 911 is just plain stupid

Originally Posted by LSM

C2S has been tested at 3 flat and 11.1. Rear engine car doesnt lose grip. This is a ridiculous video

If you believe any BMW can hold a candle to a 911 in driving dynamics/steering/pdk, drive them both. No comparison and X3M is nowhere near as quick as a 911. Like I said stupid video..

X3M is a phenomenal suv - handles is very fast but comparison to a 911 is just plain stupid

Agreed, BMW M is far far away from reaching Porsche level of driving dynamics, anyone who says otherwise haven't driven one.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by yk36

Agreed, BMW M is far far away from reaching Porsche level of driving dynamics, anyone who says otherwise haven't driven one.

This only applies to 911. Porsche fanboys who claim that Macan/Cayenne drive and handle like 911 are just plain stupid and are no better than the Tesla fanboys. Nobody buys an X3M as a 911 alternative and many X3M owners have a 911 in their garage

The bottom line is that X3M is an incredible bargain, a BMW that costs under 80k, handles very well for an SUV, can haul shit from Home Depot, and accelerates like a supercar.

[spuntyb]

Don't understand all the hate here. This is just folks having fun racing cars in 1080p. Enjoy it!

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Avaley

true but in context of a drag race like the original post, I would say dollar for dollar BMW wins in a straight line, but some would say Porsche car dynamics have lost their enthusiast feel and 3400 lbs is too much thus a Lotus / Alpine A110 / Miata is ultimate driving dynamics.

Agreed

The Alpine A110 is absolutely amazing

Go drive the new base 911 and tell me it's not truly magical

[1claire]

Both cars look nice, but I have always been a fan of BMW's aesthetics.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Agreed

Go drive the new base 911 and tell me it's not truly magical

No, it’s not. There is a reason why everyone targets S/4S or Turbo.

[340i9114s]

This whole comparison is stupid and meant to draw parallels between cars that aren't even in the same league

The porsche 911 destroys the X3 (lol) in every single way possible when it comes to a track.

The 992 porsche 911 will absolutely own an M4 GTS on the track. And the large/heavy M8 as well. I don't bmw has a single car that could track better than a Porsche 911.

Why are we comparing it to an SUV?

Porsche >>> BMW - in everything except in wannabe performance line owners (nobody throws a turbo decal on a regular Carrera

[340i9114s]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

No, it's not. There is a reason why everyone targets S/4S or Turbo.

Lmao now imagine the base X3. Why are we even comparing these cars? Porsche 911 > basically all of bmw's catalog....

The moves you can pull off with *ease* in a 911 will have you wrapped around a tree with basically 100% of BMW's. Oh, and for fun why dont we assume its the 4S.

Tell me one BMW that compares on a track

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

No, it’s not. There is a reason why everyone targets S/4S or Turbo.

I would argue otherwise. I've had the opportunity to drive a base 992 C4 for several sessions on track and it feels absolutely superb. I'd still recommend the S variant as the base feels relatively underpowered (to say the 379hp is underpowered ), but the chassis is just that fantastic and there's more than enough power to have decent fun.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by 340i9114s

Lmao now imagine the base X3. Why are we even comparing these cars? Porsche 911 > basically all of bmw's catalog....

The moves you can pull off with *ease* in a 911 will have you wrapped around a tree with basically 100% of BMW's. Oh, and for fun why dont we assume its the 4S.

Tell me one BMW that compares on a track

The F87

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2019...-car-rankings/

I'm with you in spirit, since I've driven the 997.2 GTS, and several base Carrera 991s, but the whole point of the video was to throw some fun cars on a straight and let people watch it in HD. Just have fun

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by 340i9114s

This whole comparison is stupid and meant to draw parallels between cars that aren't even in the same league

The porsche 911 destroys the X3 (lol) in every single way possible when it comes to a track.

The 992 porsche 911 will absolutely own an M4 GTS on the track. And the large/heavy M8 as well. I don't bmw has a single car that could track better than a Porsche 911.

Why are we comparing it to an SUV?

Porsche >>> BMW - in everything except in wannabe performance line owners (nobody throws a turbo decal on a regular Carrera

It's just a bit of fun and interest nothing to get triggered about.

[yk36]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

This only applies to 911. Porsche fanboys who claim that Macan/Cayenne drive and handle like 911 are just plain stupid and are no better than the Tesla fanboys. Nobody buys an X3M as a 911 alternative and many X3M owners have a 911 in their garage

The bottom line is that X3M is an incredible bargain, a BMW that costs under 80k, handles very well for an SUV, can haul shit from Home Depot, and accelerates like a supercar.

First of all, I never said anything about comparing 911 to X3.

Also I'll take a Macan Turbo over a X3M, better in every single way. Sorry BMW fanboys Porsche are just plain better.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by yk36

I'll still take the Macan Turbo over a X3M, better in every single way.

Better in every single way? X3M is clearly better in terms of engine (S58 is an awesome top end-tuned machine), overall performance numbers, space (let’s not forget those are SUVs), modern tech, and price (20-30k real world difference). Macan T has nicer suspension, nimble handling, a more visceral dual clutch transmission (X3M’s M5-derived ZF8 is super quick, just not as visceral), and a Porsche badge (very important factor for many Macan buyers ).

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by Avaley

Over the X3MC, but with this engine in a 3500 lb M2 g87, I will wait until that comes out to judge as that car will be half the price of the Porsche.

Next G87 M2 will be more than 3500 pounds. It will be most likely close to 3800 pounds.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Yeah, the G8X specs have ruined my hope for the G87.

Just like the F Series, the G87 M2 will be around the same weight as the M4. So close to 3800 pounds.

[vincechase]

Originally Posted by Mako

Too bad for ride quality? compared to what? compared to F80 its the same or better, compared to standard suspension cars its a little rough. Shouldn't be buying a M if you want a cushy ride. Or you gotta opt for the larger ones where they give them a little softer rides (M5, X5M). New M3/M4 won't be any better ride quality than X3M, not what they are built for.

Dude for an SUV its just very bad, Its soo stiff and bouncy. For car guys we can get used to it but over time it gets quite annoying. Have you driven a macan ? Or a glc 63 ? Im just sayin it sucks not ideal. And 80 percent of x3m owners will tell you this. Not comparing it to nothing in specific tho. Cant ever expect a 3/4 to be comfortable for the most part.

[vincechase]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Better in every single way? X3M is clearly better in terms of engine (S58 is an awesome top end-tuned machine), overall performance numbers, space (let’s not forget those are SUVs), modern tech, and price (20-30k real world difference). Macan T has nicer suspension, nimble handling, a more visceral dual clutch transmission (X3M’s M5-derived ZF8 is super quick, just not as visceral), and a Porsche badge (very important factor for many Macan buyers ).

I agree with this. But lets be serious. We all know if porsche wanted the macan to be a beast it would run with the x3m no ifs or buts. But who will buy a panamera, 911, or cayenne. Sales would be purely macans.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by vincechase

I agree with this. But lets be serious. We all know if porsche wanted the macan to be a beast it would run with the x3m no ifs or buts. But who will buy a panamera, 911, or cayenne. Sales would be purely macans.

yea, but ifs don’t count. if Zuffenhausen offered a 500+ hp Macan Turbo S E-hybrid, or whatever you want to call it, it would cost close to 120k.