[kozzi]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

I hope the front doesn't look exactly the same as the X3, like what they've done with the X5/6.

I agree and hope they will be different (front end) unlike the current F25/F26. Current F15/F16 in most variants but the Ms are a little different. Hopefully they treat the G01/G02 the same way and keep the M version F97/F98 the same.

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Given that the current X4 M40i uses the high output N55 while the next one will use a B58, I wonder if peak power will actually decrease slightly? Today's model makes 355hp, but it seems possible the new one could drop to 335hp as seen in the G30 540i. Alternatively they may plan to bump power of the engine up for the M Performance applications which will include the G01 X3, G02 X4, G2x 3 Series and G2x 4 Series. However, given that the 335hp output itself was just introduced as a jump up from the 320hp the B58 started at, I'm not sure we'll see yet another increase quite this soon (X3 M40i will launch this year).

Hopefully no HP reduction because this will be an M Performance SAV. The X3 M40i B58 has to have at least 355hp to compete in this class. I think anything less would be a mistake. There will be no X3M/X4M for at least 2-3 years.

Originally Posted by darksilkx1

Presuming that the X3/X4 M40 are designed to compete (pricewise) with the 354 hp SQ5 and the 340 hp Macan S, we may be more likely to see to see somewhere between 340 and 350 hp dont you think?

Has to be 355hp+ just by the competition in this segment. I could see the argument of lowering the output and increasing performance due to weight savings etc but please BMW...NO!

X3 M40i/X4 M40i will compete with Macan GTS, Audi SQ5, MB AMG43 and FPace S. Current X4 M40i does very well in this field.
X3M/X4M will compete with Macan T/PP/S, Audi RSQ5, MB AMG63/S and AR Stelvio QV. The Ms are a few years away and should be close to 500hp.

[ThugzZ BunnY]

mkoesel the m235i and the m240i are different. the m235i had 320 hp and m240i has 335 hp. m235i has the same engine as the x4 (n55) but the x4 had 355 hp. so with that in mind im assuming they'll add the extra 15 hp that they gave the m240i with the B58. so the x4 m40 should have 380hp.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ThugzZ BunnY

mkoesel the m235i and the m240i are different. the m235i had 320 hp and m240i has 335 hp. m235i has the same engine as the x4 (n55) but the x4 had 355 hp.

Right but again, that's irrelevant. The original statement you made remains untrue:

"the m235 used the same engine and didn't get 355hp cause its a car and lighter."

The reason the M235i did not get 355hp was because they knew they intended to (or at the very least, they had strong desire to and were relatively sure they would) release an M2 with around that much power (from that very engine) that would be on the market at the same time as the M235i's planned successor, the M240i. The weight of the car had nothing to do with it. They just wanted to save the higher output version of the engine to use as a selling point for the flagship of the lineup.

With the X4, there was no such conflict. They knew the M40i would sit at the top of the lineup for the model's duration, and they also knew (or, again, had a high degree of confidence) that the next generation model would feature a proper M model with well over 400hp - a clear increase from the former flagship M Performance model. Not to mention, high output engine was already being developed for the M2, so it was going to be there ready and available for use.

In other words, by my analysis, there is nothing about how the N55 is or was rated in other models - M Performance or otherwise, 2 Series or otherwise - that can be used to reliably predict what the power output of the B58 will be in the upcoming X4 M40i.

so with that in mind im assuming they'll add the extra 15 hp that they gave the m240i with the B58. so the x4 m40 should have 380hp.

They just did add power though. They added ~15hp to the B58 in the M140i, M240i and 540i as compared to the B58 used in the the 340i, 440i, and 740i. Quite likely, the G20 M340i coming late next year will also move to the 335hp B58. Alternatively they may bump power up again, but as I said earlier, it is not likely to be to 370hp or above. If there is any increase, I would expect a modest bump to 350hp at most.

Furthermore, as I said above and in a previous post, with the X4 M taking over the top spot, the M40i model no longer needs to carry the burden of making as much power as possible. Instead, it can slot in much as today's 340i/440i does when compared to the M3/M4, and indeed as tomorrow's generation of those vehicles will as well.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by kozzi

Hopefully no HP reduction because this will be an M Performance SAV. The X3 M40i B58 has to have at least 355hp to compete in this class. I think anything less would be a mistake.

Your (and others') points about comparing favorably to the existing entries in this class are well made. However, lets not forget that BMW is well versed at achieving class leading performance (or if not quite that in every case, at the very least, class leading driving dynamics and driving experience) without making class leading-power. One way they achieve this is by being slightly lighter than competitors. Other ways are by using better transmission, drivetrain optimization, and better chassis (for better traction, response to changes in throttle, etc.).

I don't think that BMW absolutely needs to be at the ~350hp level (and certainly not the ~370hp+ level) to successfully compete.

There will be no X3M/X4M for at least 2-3 years.

Two years (-ish) from the release of the X3 coming later this year, yes. By the time the X4 hits next year, however, that'll already have been cut down by another nine months. Meanwhile, the current X3 has no M40i model - it still has the 35i model as its flagship. So in that case, the new X3 M40i - even if it has "only" 335hp - will be quite marketable both as an upgrade from the outgoing X3 35i as well as an interim flagship.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Your (and others') points about comparing favorably to the existing entries in this class are well made. However, lets not forget that BMW is well versed at achieving class leading performance (or if not quite that in every case, at the very least, class leading driving dynamics and driving experience) without making class leading-power. One way they achieve this is by being slightly lighter than competitors. Other ways are by using better transmission, drivetrain optimization, and better chassis (for better traction, response to changes in throttle, etc.).

I don't think that BMW absolutely needs to be at the ~350hp level (and certainly not the ~370hp+ level) to successfully compete.



Two years (-ish) from the release of the X3 coming later this year, yes. By the time the X4 hits next year, however, that'll already have been cut down by another nine months. Meanwhile, the current X3 has no M40i model - it still has the 35i model as its flagship. So in that case, the new X3 M40i - even if it has "only" 335hp - will be quite marketable both as an upgrade from the outgoing X3 35i as well as an interim flagship.

And in Europe as well as an M40i both X3 and X4 will offer an M40d alternative.

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Your (and others') points about comparing favorably to the existing entries in this class are well made. However, lets not forget that BMW is well versed at achieving class leading performance (or if not quite that in every case, at the very least, class leading driving dynamics and driving experience) without making class leading-power. One way they achieve this is by being slightly lighter than competitors. Other ways are by using better transmission, drivetrain optimization, and better chassis (for better traction, response to changes in throttle, etc.).

I don't think that BMW absolutely needs to be at the ~350hp level (and certainly not the ~370hp+ level) to successfully compete.



Two years (-ish) from the release of the X3 coming later this year, yes. By the time the X4 hits next year, however, that'll already have been cut down by another nine months. Meanwhile, the current X3 has no M40i model - it still has the 35i model as its flagship. So in that case, the new X3 M40i - even if it has "only" 335hp - will be quite marketable both as an upgrade from the outgoing X3 35i as well as an interim flagship.

All good points. Current X4 M40i w/ the N55 at 355hp performs very well or better against the GTS, AMG43 and the SQ5. If BMW "reduces" hp on the N58 M40i to less than 355hp, the 200 pound weight reduction and other upgrades need to be real. Not saying hp is everything but if they are going to tag this as an M Performance SAV, it needs to deliver. IMO, will not be more than 355hp as others have suggested

[Jason]

Updated May 29, 2017

We now get a first look at the new look X4 from eye level.

BMW X4 (G02) Sighting

[ron_jeremy]

Looks promising, usually first generation is not matured enough, as this shows, second generation looks like BMW intended. A lot of F25 in Norway, not so with the F26.

[raysspl]

Can't wait to see it in full form. Hoping that they make RWD standard & AWD optional

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by raysspl

Can't wait to see it in full form. Hoping that they make RWD standard & AWD optional

Isn't it based on the X1? So fwd always and awd, up to 50% to the rear, only once slip has occurred?

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Isn't it based on the X1? So fwd always and awd, up to 50% to the rear, only once slip has occurred?

The X3 and X4 are RWD/XDrive.The X2 is FWD/xDrive.

Next month (June) is the arrival of the all new BMW X3.
But the promos start very soon.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The X3 and X4 are RWD/XDrive.The X2 is FWD/xDrive.

Next month (June) is the arrival of the all new BMW X3.
But the promos start very soon.

Oops, my mistake, thought we were looking at the X2.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by bunker

BETTER.

the current model looks like death.

I was gonna say that also

Too bad it doesn't have gullwing doors tho

[InTheNightKitchen]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

I was gonna say that also

Too bad it doesn't have gullwing doors tho

Like the Tesla?

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

I can't understand why BMW continues making such useless and ugly vehicles... I know some people want to stand out of the crowd but, in these??? They definitely should take inspiration from Land Rover to make SUV's look right...

[c1pher]

I'm not really an SUV guy, but sat in an X4 M40i and it felt very cozy, yet had back seats and a rear hatch. It sounded very nice and seems like it would be almost as fast as my 135is.

[AKRAPOVICOWNS]

Although i think the rear of this car looks promising..the front looks like a taller 5GT..completely destroyed the model already, even if the rear turns out great.

The idea for the X4 is to be stylish..its beyond me why BMW cant get it right. The Velar looks miles ahead of this thing.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by InTheNightKitchen

Like the Tesla?

Like a 500sl

[Mako]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

Although i think the rear of this car looks promising..the front looks like a taller 5GT..completely destroyed the model already, even if the rear turns out great.

The idea for the X4 its to be stylish..its beyond me why BMW cant get it right. The Velar looks miles ahead of this thing.

Velar is a totally different market, not direct comparison with the X4

[Mako]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

I can't understand why BMW continues making such useless and ugly vehicles... I know some people want to stand out of the crowd but, in these??? They definitely should take inspiration from Land Rover to make SUV's look right...

They are doing it just to piss YOU off

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

And in Europe as well as an M40i both X3 and X4 will offer an M40d alternative.

Diesel is only so exciting.

The 100% Electric version is what BMW needs to steal the show.

[JustChris]

A hideous looking tractor and ..... ..
....a John Deer.


Badoom.