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      01-03-2020, 04:24 AM   #1
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I’m just in the process of performing ‘due dilligence’ prior to ordering a new X4M. Part of that involved watching a few road test videos, amongst them Joe Achilles’s, which I can only describe as wierd.

His conclusion is that the car is too firmly damped, based on driving it down an extremely bumpy country lane in Sport+.
While it said absolutely nothing about the suspension, it spoke volumes for the striking absence of squeaks and rattles.

His second conclusion is that the car lacks torque, tested by essentially switching off the gearbox and ignoring the paddle shifters, while trying to accelerate from 1600 by booting the throttle, thereby effectively dropping the inlet tract’s flow velocity to almost zero.

Joe, if you ever read this; a car’s drive train consists of BOTH the engine and transmission, which are hopefully matched to provide the ideal COMBINATION. Miss set one and don’t be surprised if the other doesn’t perform optimally. If the car is being asked to pull too high a gear at the very bottom of its torque curve, the ONLY important question is, does it immediately downshift to a more appropriate ratio? I had a previous generation M5 that would blast through the gears in ‘comfort’ setting, only to hang on to 7th gear come what may. Any car, even the mighty M5 will underperform when asked to pull a huge gear ratio from just above idle.

The x4M has an eight speed gearbox.....the top 2 gears really representing ‘top’ and ‘overdrive’ and are clearly designed for cruising, so what does putting the car into 7th gear and switching off the gearbox prove other than that the match between revs, torque and gear ratio have been extremely poorly selected BY THE DRIVER

I watched a second video of his M4 review, which he claims lacks traction, tested by taking a car on summer tyres, driving past the snow line in the Alps, switching off the traction control and booting it out of corners. Joe, if you get a rear wheel drive M car, switch off its traction control and drive it on either slippery roads or the incorrect season’s tyres, you’ve either got to short shift or dose the throttle better. With M cars we’re getting to the point where ‘far too much is nearly enough’. These cars take some driving finesse when conditions aren’t great. M cars are not optimised for extremely bumpy roads. They are fine on less than ideal surfaces but the very nature of those conditions means that the performance envelope must be appropriately reduced, either by switching on all the stability controls or with some skilful driving.

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      01-03-2020, 06:12 AM   #2
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Agreed, it was a bizarre test and most if not all of it can be ignored.
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Agreed, it was a bizarre test and most if not all of it can be ignored.
Joe should be renamed joe and his angry inch lol
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I guess it's all about clicks and views etc....so it's probably worked as people are talking about the review and no doubt more people have watched it.
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Funnily enough there were no deals on the X3M when he did the review and there was a lot of support on the M40i. I wonder if that could have influenced things, bearing in mind his big mate TRL
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Funnily enough there were no deals on the X3M when he did the review and there was a lot of support on the M40i. I wonder if that could have influenced things, bearing in mind his big mate TRL
Could still easily get big discounts at that time as thats when i bought mine(wasn’t as big as the last deal before xmas but was still easy to get around 13-14k off the list on loaded factory orders as i done) they basically worked out the price to make it look to expensive imo as he loves the m40i which is a good car but its not an M car!!!

TRL gave me rough prices at the time based on Joe’s figures he had supplied and said we would not usually discount a new model at this time, but lets say we had to offer something to get the deal........then what he offered as discount was the chassis support already on them from bmwuk at that time.....lot less than what any other dealers had offered me at the time.
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Joe.. he recently reviewed a M340i and moaned about how thick the steering wheel was and this will contribute to no feel... he compared it wearing a thick condom. 😂.
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It was not a good review, IMHO. Sure, take the X4 over the X4MC. Erm, no.
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Lost any respect for Joe when he posted that pish review on the X3MC - right around the moment he stuck a pillow on his head.

Had my X4MC since launch day in the UK and couldn't be happier with it.
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Didn't he use to jump on the forums kicking off when people left their thoughts on his videos?
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Review has been slated to hell on just about every forum. Not sure there is another need for another thread.
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Review has been slated to hell on just about every forum. Not sure there is another need for another thread.
Just ignore the thread then newbie.....
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just test drove X3mc and I drive an M5C and M3CS , I was pleasantly surprised that suspension was stiff, but I gather that a lot of people won't like it
as far as lack of torque at the low end , his comments were useless
though the transmission felt a little bit less crisp on up and down shifts as compared to M5
but I am being very critical
overall I loved the car and will certainly own at one stage
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Placed my order

Test drove the X4MC and loved it. I currently have an M4C and I drive it with suspension in ‘Sport’ most of the time as I very much like the ‘connected’ feel it gives. People talk about an overly firm ride on British B roads but if a car with the M4’s or X4M’s performance encounters a major dip in the road while you’re enjoying a sporty drive, that firmness is what prevents you from driving through rather than past the scenery.
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