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      02-21-2019, 12:07 PM   #45
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I went from F80 to a Cayenne GTS and am happy with the decision but the X3M looks to be a real beast and I'm sure will satisfy many M3/M4 owners looking for increased utility with their fun.
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I went from F80 to a Cayenne GTS and am happy with the decision but the X3M looks to be a real beast and I'm sure will satisfy may M3/M4 owners lookin for increased utility with their fun.
And these x3m owners will want to get back into a m3 by the time the lease is up and the new m3 is released. Brilliant marketing by bmw really
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I have e92 m3 and e84 x1(35) as my dd. My wife drives x3 m40i which is also our family car. I have entertained the thought of consolidating those 3 into x3m in the future. I am skeptical though. M40i is stupid fast for a suv and handles pretty well but I still find my old x1 more fun. The size and the lack of road feel make x3 feel less involving. It's a great car but not what I would take out just to drive. Will the full m treatment change this? Perhaps. But I think I will stick with my current combo.
Full m treatment should change it. That's the biggest complaint I had with the F39 that I don't have with the F80. It's crazy to think how much an M feels different when in and driving than a regular version of the same model.
I think in theory "do it all" cars like x3m make lot of sense. The reality however is not as appealing. it means using this $80k m car in situations far less than ideal. It will have to function as a bad weather/ winter beater (why would you get an suv other wise). Eventually you will want to get a cheap winter beater for your mental wellbeing. Then you'll think to yourself "why don't I get a more dedicated sportscar like m3 now that I have a winter beater?" You trade x3m for m3 and the cycle goes on. Just my two cents
There is other reasons for an SUV than a "weather / winter beater". Plus I don't live anywhere where there is winter. So I don't agree with your post, but it's your opinion and nothing wrong with that.

X3M will not be anywhere near as limiting as my F80.
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I have e92 m3 and e84 x1(35) as my dd. My wife drives x3 m40i which is also our family car. I have entertained the thought of consolidating those 3 into x3m in the future. I am skeptical though. M40i is stupid fast for a suv and handles pretty well but I still find my old x1 more fun. The size and the lack of road feel make x3 feel less involving. It's a great car but not what I would take out just to drive. Will the full m treatment change this? Perhaps. But I think I will stick with my current combo.
Full m treatment should change it. That's the biggest complaint I had with the F39 that I don't have with the F80. It's crazy to think how much an M feels different when in and driving than a regular version of the same model.
I think in theory "do it all" cars like x3m make lot of sense. The reality however is not as appealing. it means using this $80k m car in situations far less than ideal. It will have to function as a bad weather/ winter beater (why would you get an suv other wise). Eventually you will want to get a cheap winter beater for your mental wellbeing. Then you'll think to yourself "why don't I get a more dedicated sportscar like m3 now that I have a winter beater?" You trade x3m for m3 and the cycle goes on. Just my two cents
There is other reasons for an SUV than a "weather / winter beater". So I don't agree with your post, but it's your opinion and nothing wrong with that.
I guess if you don't mind the extra wear and tear from whatever activity suv's supposed to be better at - could be offroading or picking up in laws from airport- these do it all cars make sense.
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I have e92 m3 and e84 x1(35) as my dd. My wife drives x3 m40i which is also our family car. I have entertained the thought of consolidating those 3 into x3m in the future. I am skeptical though. M40i is stupid fast for a suv and handles pretty well but I still find my old x1 more fun. The size and the lack of road feel make x3 feel less involving. It's a great car but not what I would take out just to drive. Will the full m treatment change this? Perhaps. But I think I will stick with my current combo.
Full m treatment should change it. That's the biggest complaint I had with the F39 that I don't have with the F80. It's crazy to think how much an M feels different when in and driving than a regular version of the same model.
I think in theory "do it all" cars like x3m make lot of sense. The reality however is not as appealing. it means using this $80k m car in situations far less than ideal. It will have to function as a bad weather/ winter beater (why would you get an suv other wise). Eventually you will want to get a cheap winter beater for your mental wellbeing. Then you'll think to yourself "why don't I get a more dedicated sportscar like m3 now that I have a winter beater?" You trade x3m for m3 and the cycle goes on. Just my two cents
There is other reasons for an SUV than a "weather / winter beater". So I don't agree with your post, but it's your opinion and nothing wrong with that.
I guess if you don't mind the extra wear and tear from whatever activity suv's supposed to be better at - could be offroading or picking up in laws from airport- these do it all cars make sense.
Nothing a ceramic coating and xpel wrap can't fix. What's the point of having cars if you care about wear and tear so much? And, again, going off road and picking up in laws are not the only two (in addition to your other reason) one needs an SUV.
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I have e92 m3 and e84 x1(35) as my dd. My wife drives x3 m40i which is also our family car. I have entertained the thought of consolidating those 3 into x3m in the future. I am skeptical though. M40i is stupid fast for a suv and handles pretty well but I still find my old x1 more fun. The size and the lack of road feel make x3 feel less involving. It's a great car but not what I would take out just to drive. Will the full m treatment change this? Perhaps. But I think I will stick with my current combo.
Full m treatment should change it. That's the biggest complaint I had with the F39 that I don't have with the F80. It's crazy to think how much an M feels different when in and driving than a regular version of the same model.
I think in theory "do it all" cars like x3m make lot of sense. The reality however is not as appealing. it means using this $80k m car in situations far less than ideal. It will have to function as a bad weather/ winter beater (why would you get an suv other wise). Eventually you will want to get a cheap winter beater for your mental wellbeing. Then you'll think to yourself "why don't I get a more dedicated sportscar like m3 now that I have a winter beater?" You trade x3m for m3 and the cycle goes on. Just my two cents
There is other reasons for an SUV than a "weather / winter beater". So I don't agree with your post, but it's your opinion and nothing wrong with that.
I guess if you don't mind the extra wear and tear from whatever activity suv's supposed to be better at - could be offroading or picking up in laws from airport- these do it all cars make sense.
Nothing a ceramic coating and xpel wrap can't fix. What's the point of having cars if you care about wear and tear so much? And, again, going off road and picking up in laws are not the only two (in addition to your other reason) one needs an SUV.
Just to be clear, I have nothing against Suv's. In fact we have 2 (x1 and x3)! They are great at what they do and I have hard time justifying putting a stiffer suspension and lowering them for better handling. But I have no doubt x3m will be great and will defy logic and physics. Congrats in advance if you're getting one.
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I think in theory "do it all" cars like x3m make lot of sense. The reality however is not as appealing. it means using this $80k m car in situations far less than ideal. It will have to function as a bad weather/ winter beater (why would you get an suv other wise). Eventually you will want to get a cheap winter beater for your mental wellbeing. Then you'll think to yourself "why don't I get a more dedicated sportscar like m3 now that I have a winter beater?" You trade x3m for m3 and the cycle goes on. Just my two cents

The cycles is real: my progression

09’ H3 (beater) + 15’ M4 (fun) -> 16’ G63 (do it all) -> 17’ ZR2 (beater) + 18’ Manual GT3 (fun)

Now I want a “fun daily” which is different than a “beater” and different than a “fun” car. X3M vs M3 is the junction I’m at.. and for good reason. The X3M was an unexpected interesting proposition for many of us!
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      02-21-2019, 01:53 PM   #52
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I think in theory "do it all" cars like x3m make lot of sense. The reality however is not as appealing. it means using this $80k m car in situations far less than ideal. It will have to function as a bad weather/ winter beater (why would you get an suv other wise). Eventually you will want to get a cheap winter beater for your mental wellbeing. Then you'll think to yourself "why don't I get a more dedicated sportscar like m3 now that I have a winter beater?" You trade x3m for m3 and the cycle goes on. Just my two cents

The cycles is real: my progression

09’ H3 (beater) + 15’ M4 (fun) -> 16’ G63 (do it all) -> 17’ ZR2 (beater) + 18’ Manual GT3 (fun)

Now I want a “fun daily” which is different than a “beater” and different than a “fun” car. X3M vs M3 is the junction I’m at.. and for good reason. The X3M was an unexpected interesting proposition for many of us!
You are right that x3m is right at the borderline of fun and practical. Which is why I think it will steal away customers from Audi. People who wanted slightly softer and awd version of m3 can now choose x3m instead of say RS5 SB. The new m3 will have optional awd which is worrisome for audi.
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...What's the point of having cars if you care about wear and tear so much? And, again, going off road and picking up in laws are not the only two (in addition to your other reason) one needs an SUV.
Agree - our G01s don't get spoiled although we try to keep them clean and maintained. We bought them for their flexibility, comfort and performance regardless of the planned activity and they get used for sure. But a quick wash and they're ready to head to the resort. This was the last load of mulch for that morning so only loaded with 14 bags - usually run 16-17 no problems. And the X3M Comp will only add icing to this cake.
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...What's the point of having cars if you care about wear and tear so much? And, again, going off road and picking up in laws are not the only two (in addition to your other reason) one needs an SUV.
Agree - our G01s don't get spoiled although we try to keep them clean and maintained. We bought them for their flexibility, comfort and performance regardless of the planned activity and they get used for sure. But a quick wash and they're ready to head to the resort. This was the last load of mulch for that morning so only loaded with 14 bags - usually run 16-17 no problems. And the X3M Comp will only add icing to this cake.
I can't wait for 500 hp mulch runs!

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Macan has suffered from heavy weight (4400-4600 lbs) with not enough power even in Turbo guise. It handles well for what it is but is expensive, poor passenger/cargo space, and it's quick but won't get your blood pumping. I'm hoping X3M solves these issues while maintaining agility that can match the Macan. Probably better dynamics (ie: lag)with the S58 as well.
Macan weight is 4250
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I was going by specs when it launched which had it heavier than Q5 but I guess that's been corrected.
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The materials in my M3 do not match the luxury and features of my X5M which was fine with me since I bought it strictly for the performance and drive. It's also cheaper than my X5M so it's to be expected. I have the X5M also for performance but want the luxury as well since it's our main vehicle and the one we use for longer trips. I don't think the X3M will match the X5M interior level since it's based on the X3 (vs X5) but I am hoping it's nice enough. For example, I am hoping the X3M has ventilated front M sport seats like the X5M (not an option in the M3/M4 line). I know the X3 now has a ventilated seat option but it's not a sport seat.
I really doubt the X3M will have ventilated seats. But I would prefer to be wrong on this.
Beware the ventilated seats! I got those in our M 40i and regret it dearly. It's like sitting on a park bench; no side support!
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Beware the ventilated seats! I got those in our M 40i and regret it dearly. It's like sitting on a park bench; no side support!
On the X3/4 M40i, ventilated seats replaces the entire seat. On the X3/4M it isn't supposed to change the seat out, just add the feature.

Per M40i order guide;
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There is no mention of 4FH deleting 481 (sport seats) or 712 (M Sport Seats)
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Trading in my M4Vert for an X3M this Fall

Then back to the new M4 In 2021 !!!
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On the X3/4 M40i, ventilated seats replaces the entire seat. On the X3/4M it isn't supposed to change the seat out, just add the feature.

Per M40i order guide;
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There is no mention of 4FH deleting 481 (sport seats) or 712 (M Sport Seats)
the M sport seats ventilated are similar to those found in the M5 F90. Just with less adjustable settings. I found those seats to be comfy.
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Wow, where do you burn your money? I'd love to swing by sometime!
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im with you... i have an F25 Xline and had (just sold) an F80 M3... i am hoping to combine the best of both worlds...


The X3 is rock solid in reliability but the M3 was a POS in my opinion... too many headaches and problems starting with BMW AG not standing the behind the products they sold...

You may ask why again if the m3 was so bad.. well im hoping that it will be as good as the X3 but time will tell...
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What was wrong with your M3. My F80 has had zero issues at 20k miles. My X3 only has 9k miles and has already needed it's stupid active grill shutters replaced and the dash rattles like crazy.
This car was built for me... it was not a dealer inventory car. From day 0 it had vibration issues which BMW worsen the more i took it to the dealer to get that fixed. After my first year of ownership i totally lost confidence in the product. It had phantom issues (false positives) that the dealer could not fix and short from calling me crazy they blamed it to the fact it was an M model... talk about some BS.
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On the list. My M3 lease ends Jan 2020....so by December I should be making the transition
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And these x3m owners will want to get back into a m3 by the time the lease is up and the new m3 is released. Brilliant marketing by bmw really
Don't know about that. Once most people get used to having an SUV, they don't go back to a sedan/coupe.
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