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      06-12-2019, 12:46 AM   #45
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My thoughts and worries exactly. Everybody is talking about future with EV cars, but somehow forgetting to say the B side - where would the power come from, what is gonna happen with the batteries, etc. Is future really in EV? I'm not sure. Not until we figure out aforementioned questions.

For those comparing power of EV and petrol/diesel cars - EV are not to bring more power, but bring less emissions. Nothing more. That's so far the only argument I'm hearing in favor of EV.
Try the new Tesla Model 3 Performance. Crazy power and good handling. Faster than a BMW M3/M4.

I'm not saying they can't be powerfull. They can and some are, but that's not their mission.
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give it a rest guys. Full electric is a niche and impractical. I would rather mate a 3l turbo with a super battery with ludicrous performance encased in a super chassis in an elegant vehicle(with a sensible grille).
Btw my Mrs(blonde) thinks model x looks like a costlier prius and model s welll looks like a mondeo.
Completely agree! Certainly in the UK, charging stations are not wide-spread enough yet. It seems Tesla have the best infra, but personally canít see myself ever owning one, too tacky and full of plastic (personal opinion).

Now whilst unlikely, a 3.0 BMW with electric...hmm 😂
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I'm not saying they can't be powerfull. They can and some are, but that's not their mission.
Would still choose the M3/M4 ANY day of the week...too quiet
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Why?

Because Tesla is absolutely eating all of their lunches combined.

And you can add Lexus to that list as well. Tesla is outselling Mercedes BMW and Lexus combined ‼️
BMW sells what, 2 million cars per year?? You’re dreaming.

When I say the world isn’t ready, I’m not referring to California or the other dozen states where Tesla’s are sold in the US. I’m talking about the other 99% of the planet where Tesla doesn’t even register.

You can’t judge success from the viewpoint of the demographic who buys these expensive cars in a few countries. I think it will take more progress across the board until EVs become the majority of sales, and even more progress in all areas (battery technology with different chemistry, electricity production, massive cost reductions, longevity, etc) before they become the only vehicles on the road.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and it isn’t misplaced. But you are looking at it from an extremely narrow perspective.
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My battery will outlast the car, and have a second life after that as a storage device to help power a school or building when power goes out. ICE cars are the dying breed.
Exactly. The current model 3 batteries are expected to last 250k-300k miles at least. And the motors are designed for 1 million miles. These numbers are unheard of before Tesla.

As for power sources, Even 100% coal power is >2x cleaner than gas powered engines. If you add wind and solar, its 4-5x cleaner (like in CA).

The current grid in the US can support EVs for a long long time. we are nowhere close to its limits. Can't speak for every corner of the globe though.

I think the biggest issue with EV adoption is customer education. For those of us in markets like CA/NY, we know all these are non-issues. In other markets where Tesla has yet to sell Model 3 at large scale, people just lack awareness. Tesla's no advertising approach doesn't help, and traditional car dealers will continue to spread FUD like range anxiety, battery longevity and a lot of other nonsense that hasn't been true for 5+ years.
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Why?

Because Tesla is absolutely eating all of their lunches combined.

And you can add Lexus to that list as well. Tesla is outselling Mercedes BMW and Lexus combined ‼️
BMW sells what, 2 million cars per year?? You're dreaming.

When I say the world isn't ready, I'm not referring to California or the other dozen states where Tesla's are sold in the US. I'm talking about the other 99% of the planet where Tesla doesn't even register.

You can't judge success from the viewpoint of the demographic who buys these expensive cars in a few countries. I think it will take more progress across the board until EVs become the majority of sales, and even more progress in all areas (battery technology with different chemistry, electricity production, massive cost reductions, longevity, etc) before they become the only vehicles on the road.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and it isn't misplaced. But you are looking at it from an extremely narrow perspective.
Let me word that correctly.

It's more than just enthusiasm...

*"Tesla Model 3 outsold all premium competition"

https://insideevs.com/news/353847/te...m-competitors/
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Road Show has posted a first drive review of the X3 xDrive30e.

2020 BMW X3 xDrive30e first drive review: A plug-in SUV with no shortage of sport

The first plug-in X3 scrimps on neither efficiency nor sportiness.

Some review highlights:

It's not often that a test-drive of a plug-in hybrid takes place on a handling course on an disused runway. But when that hybrid has a BMW badge on the nose, like the X3 xDrive30e, you know the engineers have put as much effort into sportiness and fun as thriftiness and efficiency. It's for that reason that the first plug-in hybrid X3 makes such a good first impression on a brief test drive near Munich, Germany.

The X3 shares its hybrid powertrain with the 330e sedan, which means the core components consist of a 2.0-liter turbo-four engine, an electric motor integrated into the eight-speed automatic transmission and a 12.0-kilowatt-hour lithium-ion battery pack under the rear seat. Total system output is 252 horsepower, with the 0-62-miles-per-hour run pegged at 6.5 seconds and top speed set at a healthy 130 mph. The electric motor is rated for 80 kilowatts, equivalent to 107 hp, which is just a bit behind the 330e's motor rating of 83kw.

While far from the ideal location for testing a plug-in hybrid, the X3 xDrive30e shines on a runway handling course at the BMW Experience Center in Maisach, Germany. With the Sport drive-mode button depressed, power is effortless and easy, hauling the crossover out of corners and down straights. Like any X3, it's a handler, too, with crisp turn-in and well-controlled body motions as I slip through a coned-off slalom.


Read the full review at: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...-drive-review/
When will it be available in UK market?
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