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      12-04-2019, 01:08 PM   #23
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'Quite' means 'not totally'... that means stage 2 tuning is coming
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It's hard to tell from this video how much more brutal the car feels, but I absolutely love the new transmission shifts. They seem to be much more jerky now, like in my old M4. The exhaust sound is very nice, too.
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They just posted the HD video on YouTube....

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It's hard to tell from this video how much more brutal the car feels, but I absolutely love the new transmission shifts. They seem to be much more jerky now, like in my old M4. The exhaust sound is very nice, too.
The transmission shifts are jerkier now (only under full acceleration) , I believe, due to the increase in torque. I originally complained internally once I broke my car in that the gear shifts were too smooth and acceleration too linear almost like an electric car. Many of the initial reviews of our car lamented that it didn't have the same level of raw satisfaction as a Stelvio or GlC63 despite being just as fast. Under full acceleration I don't have that problem anymore. The whole body squats under full throttle and briefly pops up a bit on each shift in the lower gears. I've been wanting a feeling more like that since day one after break in, and I've got it now.
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Awesome.

Still can't seem to wake it up under 3,000rpm.
I was hoping for that too. Tuner told me it ain't gonna happen with this engine. It's just the way it was designed to work........
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Awesome.

Still can't seem to wake it up under 3,000rpm.
I was hoping for that too. Tuner told me it ain't gonna happen with this engine. It's just the way it was designed to work........
BMW is going to need to fix it for the M3/4.

We SAV guys - we're OK standing still for a split second after we stomp the gas, as our 4,000+ pound beasts confirm that we really, really want to hit warp speed...

Car guys? No way. Won't have it.

Perhaps the drag out in release of M3/4 is them figuring this out.
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Awesome.

Still can't seem to wake it up under 3,000rpm.
I was hoping for that too. Tuner told me it ain't gonna happen with this engine. It's just the way it was designed to work........
BMW is going to need to fix it for the M3/4.

We SAV guys - we're OK standing still for a split second after we stomp the gas, as our 4,000+ pound beasts confirm that we really, really want to hit warp speed...

Car guys? No way. Won't have it.

Perhaps the drag out in release of M3/4 is them figuring this out.
I hope Dinan figures this out in their upcoming new ECU flash product.
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BMW is going to need to fix it for the M3/4.

We SAV guys - we're OK standing still for a split second after we stomp the gas, as our 4,000+ pound beasts confirm that we really, really want to hit warp speed...

Car guys? No way. Won't have it.

Perhaps the drag out in release of M3/4 is them figuring this out.
I doubt it.
I think it is by design to save people lives. Or M3/M4 lives.
#MLivesMatter.

With that high torque on low rpm, we will see a day 1 accident on M3/M4. Considering that they are not AWD.
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Sorry, but I much prefer the exhaust note of my 2019 downpiped + stage 2 tuned M40i.
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Sorry, but I much prefer the exhaust note of my 2019 downpiped + stage 2 tuned M40i.
As you are more than entitled to.
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As you are more than entitled to.
True dat. Cheers!
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BMW is going to need to fix it for the M3/4.

We SAV guys - we're OK standing still for a split second after we stomp the gas, as our 4,000+ pound beasts confirm that we really, really want to hit warp speed...

Car guys? No way. Won't have it.

Perhaps the drag out in release of M3/4 is them figuring this out.
I'd say quite the reverse, the M3/4 driver will actually drive the car properly rather than sitting there in efficient and D1 expecting the car to pull strongly from 1500rpm in 8th.
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I'd say quite the reverse, the M3/4 driver will actually drive the car properly rather than sitting there in efficient and D1 expecting the car to pull strongly from 1500rpm in 8th.
haha, well said...
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Let see some dragy numbers!!!!
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      12-06-2019, 09:27 AM   #37
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So, if you're (very) patient, I'll do you one better. I'll get you some drag strip numbers. But just not now. I don't own a draggy and couldn't get one in time here before I ship the car back to the states at the end of the month. I'll pick it up in Dallas in March and either drag it there or up in Maryland at my final destination. Bone stock these things are fast at the strip as Max Well has already shown us. Trust me, I can't wait to get mine on a quarter mile with summer tires.
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When you say maryland do you mean Cecil County?
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Sport dashes updated too

They also flashed my displays during the remap. This is what they look like now. Notice the numbers! Also zoom in. Were the red dashes on the speedo before? I don't remember seeing them, but they look cool either way.
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When you say maryland do you mean Cecil County?
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I'd say quite the reverse, the M3/4 driver will actually drive the car properly rather than sitting there in efficient and D1 expecting the car to pull strongly from 1500rpm in 8th.
haha, well said...
We all know this is not going to be the case, or where most people (rightly or wrongly) focus.

You go 0 to whatever in a car a lot more than you go from 70 to whatever. That's just how it is.

This thing feels like it has stalled when you kick it from a standstill. Literally. I own one. Trust me. It is crazy.

Doesn't bother me, and the part of driving I enjoy most is the part you are thinking of above. But if you don't think the M3/4 is going to be judged based on what it does from 0, you are dreaming.
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BMW is going to need to fix it for the M3/4.

We SAV guys - we're OK standing still for a split second after we stomp the gas, as our 4,000+ pound beasts confirm that we really, really want to hit warp speed...

Car guys? No way. Won't have it.

Perhaps the drag out in release of M3/4 is them figuring this out.
one of the major complaints with the F8x and the S55 engine was the low down torque that would upset the chassis balance. an NA-like motor is highly preferred around the track, where most of the time the engine is used at higher RPM anyway. a “lower” torque number but a higher horsepower at the upper rev limit is ideal as it makes power delivery more predictable while at the same time, making the car faster. too much torque at the lower rev range will simply blow the tires over which is wasted with tire smoke and burnt rubber. sure, a higher torque number looks good on paper or on a dyno, but bad when it comes to putting that power onto the road and actually being faster.

these complaints make sense in an SUV as you expect it to have low range torque (towing for example), so i can understand why people have an issue with the S58 when it comes to launching at a start or rolling off the line. its characteristics are much better suited for the upcoming M3/M4 in my opinion, not so much the F97/F98.
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So, if you're (very) patient, I'll do you one better. I'll get you some drag strip numbers. But just not now. I don't own a dragy and couldn't get one in time here before I ship the car back to the states at the end of the month. I'll pick it up in Dallas in March and either drag it there or up in Maryland at my final destination. Bone stock these things are fast at the strip as Max Well has already shown us. Trust me, I can't wait to get mine on a quarter mile with summer tires.
If I recall correctly, I think there is someone on here who lives near Dallas with a GLC AMG begging for a race (will need to take your mods into consideration for the analysis, but would at least yield some numbers).
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one of the major complaints with the F8x and the S55 engine was the low down torque that would upset the chassis balance. an NA-like motor is highly preferred around the track, where most of the time the engine is used at higher RPM anyway. a “lower” torque number but a higher horsepower at the upper rev limit is ideal as it makes power delivery more predictable while at the same time, making the car faster. too much torque at the lower rev range will simply blow the tires over which is wasted with tire smoke and burnt rubber. sure, a higher torque number looks good on paper or on a dyno, but bad when it comes to putting that power onto the road and actually being faster. ...
That seems a fair assessment. Since taking our X3MC to the Strip and realizing the trouble I had with the wheels spinning with LC (granted at OEM rec'd pressures which prob aren't ideal for drag starts), I've been thinking the M3/M4 better come equipped with wide tires to be able to lay down that much power from a dig given their lighter weight. This traction issue becomes less relevant in track situations as danniexi shared.
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