01-23-2022, 12:06 PM | #23 |
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Will have to agree to disagree. Those are the four that were and are (most) often linked in buying decisions. Different priorities for different people, though. Some have more brand loyalty than preference for size or price (so compare X3M and X5M), others are not too price sensitive (so a $50k+ difference between the X3M and Cayenne is not decisive), etc.
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01-23-2022, 07:48 PM | #24 | |
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Also, the GLC 63 and the X4MC were very similar in terms of the overall ride. Not sure I completely understand the complaints about the ride quality. Then again, I have a 2015 M4 lowered with the M performance suspension. You have to check the fillings in your teeth after driving that thing around town. But I cannot remember a time thinking to myself while driving the X4MC that it was uncomfortable in any way. I suppose it is just what you are accustomed to. My brother has a 2020 F-Pace SVR and I cannot say the ride quality versus the X4MC is all that different. Maybe I am just numb at this point. |
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01-23-2022, 08:58 PM | #25 | |
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I daily my 22' X3M. I find the car comfortable and have no complaints. The X3M is definitely not for everyone. I never thought i would buy a 500hp SUV But after driving it and seeing how bmw was able to basically make a m3 wagon lol. So it seems you definitely didnt enjoy the power and performance and allowed the stiffness of the car to make you get rid of it. Tbh I don't understand how I hear this same complaint from many people. Its an SUV with 500hp 0-60 in 3.4sec Car is an animal hands down |
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01-24-2022, 08:54 AM | #28 |
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I still don't get the complaints. Either the MY22 LCI is THAT much softer compared to the pre-lci or people need to reconsider their expectations. From my perspective, the X3M is basically a lifted up M3 wagon. When it comes to ride/suspension, the F97 is stupid comfortable compared to my precious F80.
To be honest, if the ride in the X3M were that much softer I would actually be disappointed in it. I need that taut feel and handling of an M. If that were gone I'd totally dismiss this platform. It's bad enough that the rest of the BMW lineup has gone so limp-wristed with the ride and handling of Lincoln town car.
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01-24-2022, 09:26 AM | #29 | |
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01-24-2022, 02:06 PM | #30 | |
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I am down to 2.1bar already - wear looks good, but dont fancy going lower. it is for sure is less "crashy" than the Focus RS was. BUT, show it a B-road and you have to slow down cause it cant handle the bumps. |
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01-24-2022, 06:49 PM | #31 | |
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Idk why people are expecting a maybach suspension in a high performance suv. Go buy a gle or x5 |
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01-24-2022, 08:58 PM | #32 |
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Nobody is expecting luxury ride...just something that you can daily...I have no idea why you keep defending BMW in this matter. Porshe, Audi or even GM kows how to make great suspension to handle at the track and still be comfortable when needed.
And like you said its high performance SUV NOT a race car, but some of you here believe it is. |
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Or m40i( as I was told it is smooth). I just feel my personal experience I love the car, it reminds me its a True M with that stiff ride. Then hitting the highway putting the peddle to the floor priceless. For the price of the car able to experience speeds and handling from a car like this is definitely a steal. |
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01-24-2022, 09:32 PM | #34 | |
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Being 'real M' has nothing to do with shitty stiff ride. M5 Competition drives like shit but BMW improved it and M5 CS drives much much better.
Drive any Porshe or any GM product with magnetic ride. They perform better in terms of handling than anything from BMW and still are civilized when needed. Every car jurnalist that reviews X3m has the same complain...shitty ride but sure they all dont know what they are talking about... Quote:
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01-24-2022, 10:14 PM | #35 |
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Too many people on this forum identify with either hardcore aggressive driving, or complain their f97/f98 doesnt' ride like a cadilac. Not trying to be disrespectful, but each car is built for a purpose and NONE are meant to make everyone happy.
For me, buying cars is identifying the right compatibility between driver and machine. I wanted a bad ass, no compromise "fast car", but one that can deal with Canadian winters and downtown Montreal pot holes, which are about as bad as they come. It's ok, to have expectations to be comfortable when spending 120k on a car. The way I found perfect happiness was to buy two cars that satisfy opposing desires. My X4M is the best all around, all season sports car anyone could buy. I can take on massive snow storms, go up to cottages wayy off paved roads.. but when I pull up to a 911 (base one mind you), i still make them fell stupid in straight line acceleration. Its amazing, perfect all around. When we do a family outing, two toddlers in the rear seat, dogs in the trunk.. The GLC300 is untouchable in comfort, refinement, road handling compliance.. and in the winter, with Hakka 10s, its quite literally a snowmobile on wheels with ridiculous ground clearance. I can never expect both cars to do what each other is great at, but between the two of them.. I LOVE and appreciate every single attribute they strive in, instead of always complaining one is too quiet and slow, while the other is too loud and aggressive. Depending what I want when I head to the garage, I get it every time and love both experience equality. Not everything fits into a single box, but if you're going to own a single SUV, and can pay the 20-40% premium for the segment.. the Cayenne/Maccan are the closest thing to all around perfection, by a long shot. Last edited by spucktacular; 12-20-2023 at 02:09 PM.. |
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At the 7:12 mark: "This ride is totally unacceptable, absolutely unacceptable...its an American car, thats why the ride is so harsh....you go 'hey its sporty, that's sporty, you got no suspension, its sporty'" This is correct, the ride quality in the M2 CS blows doors off the original versions of the car and X4M. Feels like a Rolls back to back, and obviously the handling blows doors of an SUV, so the argument that it is a 'True M' is wrong. My Boxster GTS 4.0L also feels like a Rolls convertible in sports setting when i drive it back to back with the X4M. Bad ride quality is not a sign of performance, its a sign of lazy engineering. Last edited by ScullyD; 01-25-2022 at 01:40 PM.. |
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Much of the “poor ride” is also the noise transmitted and vibration. Drive the car with the windows open, sunroof open and it’s fine.
I had a Toyota Minivan that got hit in the rear corner, suspension was unaffected but a muffler was a bit misaligned and hit something on big bumps and made a small noise each time along with some vibration. Everyone thought the ride was terrible. It was just noise and vibration unrelated to the suspension. So isolation at the struts attached to the car, is needed if they are indeed solid and not rubber. |
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01-25-2022, 02:14 PM | #38 | |
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It makes me feel like it wasn't built to take regular bumps on the road. Otherwise I do not think it is overly harsh but BMW could have done better in comfort mode. |
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01-25-2022, 03:13 PM | #39 | |
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I also have a Cayenne on the list for a next vehicle so this thread is helpful. I am now in the middle of an X3M rental in Germany. 200kph is all I am good for. The car has more but I don’t have the nerve in Frankfurt-Cologne traffic. Speed differential vs slower traffic requires more trust than I am willing to grant in other drivers’ lane discipline. The exhaust moans and drones at speed. Not a fan. The suspension is bouncy, definitely bouncy. This is avoidable by BMW. The harshness is better than I expected. The car has 20” wheels, not plush 19”. Maybe the better quality surfaces of German roads is playing a role. Brakes are great as expected and required for a car of this capability. Seats are reasonable. If a person is not in the “healthy” BMI range I expect the seats would be objectionably hard. The leather is quite nice. Overall: meh I want more comfort and don’t need all of the performance. The Cayenne S seems like the right balance. I want to rent or test drive a Macan S to complete the comparison vs the G01 platform. |
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01-25-2022, 05:04 PM | #40 | |
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The comfort discussion here is a predictable deja vu. My view (as one who has had multiple road and full-prepped M race cars) is this: this is an SUV that is billed as a fast, fun, usable, every day car. The tiny percentage of extra handling that the undeniably stiff suspension delivers in comparison to its significantly more comfortable competitors can be appreciated only on track or in near-the-limit driving that likely should not be done on public roads anyway. It is a question of balance, and in this case, BMW got it wrong. |
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