[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Sara504

I text at red lights. I’m technically stopped, but I’m sure it’s still illegal. I am guilty of changing songs while driving.

I don't know the laws in your state but I'm pretty sure they're the same as here in GA. Doesn't matter whether you're stopped in traffic, you're still behind the wheel of a vehicle with the engine running.

But like I said earlier, I see that shit all the time and I don't think the laws are enforced so much. However, as Sedan_Clan stated, it's not common to pull people over for just that and it becomes an "add on" penalty to something else you were being cited for.

[Sara]

Oh and I do it in one straight drive. 17 hours nonstop.

[Sara]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

I don't know the laws in your state but I'm pretty sure they're the same as here in GA. Doesn't matter whether you're stopped in traffic, you're still behind the wheel of a vehicle with the engine running.

But like I said earlier, I see that shit all the time and I don't think the laws are enforced so much. However, as Sedan_Clan stated, it's not common to pull people over for just that and it becomes an "add on" penalty to something else you were being cited for.

I think it’s the same here.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Cops have exemption (...at least here in California).

Same as Ontario....the other thing I'll say is the Hands Free law here is actually distracted driving so you can get a ticket if you're doing anything that's distracting you...we also have a catch all "careless driving", which is without due care and attention. It carries a big fine and hefty demerit points.

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by Sara504

I text at red lights. I’m technically stopped, but I’m sure it’s still illegal. I am guilty of changing songs while driving.

So you’re the one that I need to honk my horn at when the light changed...,

[Sara]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

So you’re the one that I need to honk my horn at when the light changed...,

No, I can see when the light goes green.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

But if you couldn't see the driver with phone in hand, how can you cite them? You stated that you do in fact need to see the phone in hand.

Unless your tint is limo dark (...which is another justifiable reason to pull someone over in California), it's easy to see the silhouette. Furthermore, at night you can see the light from the screen.

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Hmmm interesting. Are cops not human?
I mean not to drag this into a debate, but why is it safe for a police officer to be looking at their phone while driving?

We often conduct business via cellular phone while on duty, hence why the exemption only applies to us while on duty.

Originally Posted by Samurai of 2day

Is operating a vehicle without registration but had the title in hand/ on their person count as an arrestable offense or would said driver just get ticketed?

It's not a serious offense, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's merely an infraction that can be fixed in court.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sara

Oh and I do it in one straight drive. 17 hours nonstop.

Good Bladder!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Sara

I text at red lights. I’m technically stopped, but I’m sure it’s still illegal. I am guilty of changing songs while driving.

Even in the clear changing songs, hand doesn't leave the wheel.

[Samurai of 2day]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

So you’re the one that I need to honk my horn at when the light changed...,

This has become so common for me, that I literally leave space between me and the car in front of me at a red light, so I can drive and accelerate around the person who thinks that red light intersection is the opportune time to catch up and reply to the texts there were reading while driving.

Really appreciate the ///M when all of a sudden, said texter now is in a hurry when they see me pull around them in their left mirror because the light has been green for some time and I clearly see they are buried in there phone.

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by Samurai of 2day

This has become so common for me, that I literally leave space between me and the car in front of me at a red light, so I can drive and accelerate around the person who thinks that red light intersection is the opportune time to catch up and reply to the texts there were reading while driving.

Really appreciate the ///M when all of a sudden, said texter now is in a hurry when they see me pull around them in their left mirror because the light has been green for some time and I clearly see they are buried in there phone.

I do the same but it pisses me off in left turn lanes. They freakin wake up just in time so they make the arrow and I get stuck for another cycle.

[Sara]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Even in the clear changing songs, hand doesn't leave the wheel.

I have one hand on the wheel, one hand selecting a specific song on my iPhone. Takes 3 seconds.


I can change songs on my steering wheel, but I'm not pressing my steering wheel buttons 400+ times until I find the song I want. I'd be pulling into the garage at that point.

[Sara]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Good Bladder!

haha, no I stop every 3-4 hours lol.

[Vivek.]

OP--thanks for making this thread. I'm extra glad that you're also in CA so your knowledge is directly applicable to my life.

I've had a situation where passengers were asked for their IDs and subsequently harassed with, IMO, no logical justification due to some information an officer (sheriff deputy in this situation) found after running the DL #. As a passenger in a car, is one required to present an ID if asked by a cop that pulls the car over?

Same question if walking down the road--does a citizen have to produce identification?

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sara

haha, no I stop every 3-4 hours lol.

I measure it in 'cups of joe consumed'.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

OP--thanks for making this thread. I'm extra glad that you're also in CA so your knowledge is directly applicable to my life.

I've had a situation where passengers were asked for their IDs and subsequently harassed with, IMO, no logical justification due to some information an officer (sheriff deputy in this situation) found after running the DL #. As a passenger in a car, is one required to present an ID if asked by a cop that pulls the car over?

Same question if walking down the road--does a citizen have to produce identification?

So I didn't work in the US and will happily defer to Sedan_Clan but generally speaking you don't have to identify yourself if you are the passenger or a pedestrian. However, there are lots of reasons you might get asked and would have to or want to provide ID. If you match the description of someone the police are looking for, you can be detained, investigated and possibly searched. So providing ID and cooperating may be in your best interest whether you are a passenger or a pedestrian. I get the notion that what you do or don't have to do is appealing, but really what is to be gained. Refusal might cause you a lot more grief than a bit of cooperation.

[Buug959]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Hmmm interesting. Are cops not human?
I mean not to drag this into a debate, but why is it safe for a police officer to be looking at their phone while driving?

This came to mind.

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by Murf993

So I didn't work in the US and will happily defer to Sedan_Clan but generally speaking you don't have to identify yourself if you are the passenger or a pedestrian. However, there are lots of reasons you might get asked and would have to or want to provide ID. If you match the description of someone the police are looking for, you can be detained, investigated and possibly searched. So providing ID and cooperating may be in your best interest whether you are a passenger or a pedestrian. I get the notion that what you do or don't have to do is appealing, but really what is to be gained. Refusal might cause you a lot more grief than a bit of cooperation.

That makes sense. Cooperation was the action taken in this situation and it still led to a bit of grief due to a past driving incident on record which was completely irrelevant cuz the guy wasn't even driving at the time.

Another one regarding CA and registration. Can a car that is registered out of state be given a BAR referral? Is there any law against driving a company-owned vehicle that's registered in another state?

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

There's a legal penalty: court fines.

Not if the officer simply says "Have a nice day"

I had to file today on my uninsured motorist policy. I did a little digging on the business address and there are at least 40 separate taco trucks running out of this place. The poor driver is gonna get hosed, the "owner" doesn't own shit, but I might only be out $300. And insurance says they can now TRY to get back my deductible as well as their claim

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

OP--thanks for making this thread. I'm extra glad that you're also in CA so your knowledge is directly applicable to my life.

I've had a situation where passengers were asked for their IDs and subsequently harassed with, IMO, no logical justification due to some information an officer (sheriff deputy in this situation) found after running the DL #. As a passenger in a car, is one required to present an ID if asked by a cop that pulls the car over?

Same question if walking down the road--does a citizen have to produce identification?

Any time! The goal in creating this thread was to help create dialogue.

IF you are detained AND being investigated for a crime, you must identify yourself when the officer inquires about who you are. IF you are merely a passenger in a vehicle AND you are not being investigated OR the encounter is casual/consensual on behalf of the officer, you do not have to identify yourself. With that said - and as Murf993 already alluded to - failure to identify will only make the officer/deputy suspicious and result in further inquiries about/into who you are. It's attention you don't really need.

Originally Posted by Murf993

So I didn't work in the US and will happily defer to Sedan_Clan but generally speaking you don't have to identify yourself if you are the passenger or a pedestrian. However, there are lots of reasons you might get asked and would have to or want to provide ID. If you match the description of someone the police are looking for, you can be detained, investigated and possibly searched. So providing ID and cooperating may be in your best interest whether you are a passenger or a pedestrian. I get the notion that what you do or don't have to do is appealing, but really what is to be gained. Refusal might cause you a lot more grief than a bit of cooperation.

Exactly this!

Originally Posted by Vivek.

That makes sense. Cooperation was the action taken in this situation and it still led to a bit of grief due to a past driving incident on record which was completely irrelevant cuz the guy wasn't even driving at the time.

Another one regarding CA and registration. Can a car that is registered out of state be given a BAR referral? Is there any law against driving a company-owned vehicle that's registered in another state?

By BAR you mean.....?!?!

Lots of company owned vehicles are registered out of state and driven here. It's no issue.

[IllSic_Design]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

By BAR you mean.....?!?!

Lots of company owned vehicles are registered out of state and driven here. It's no issue.

Pretty sure he means a BAR Smog Referee

[JN1]

I only have one cop question... what’s your favorite pizza topping?