02-15-2019, 06:45 AM | #354 |
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Toronto Red is much more similar to HellRot than SO. It doesn't have the candy paint effect that SO has.
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makes me wonder how close it will be to the SO interior leather, which in photos looks more red than ever before, and in the X4M they do have the seats with SO inserts on the Toronto Red exterior. I do realize full SO on Toronto Red is a lot of red/orange. Just really wish they had a good interior option to go with Toronto Red exterior (don't care for that beige, have kids so don't want ivory, grey just doesn't look right, plain black is boring, I know I have it in my M3). I am too cheap to spring for custom/individual leather seats... |
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Good views of Toronto Red, gray/sakhir interior, and black/beige interior in this new Facebook video:
https://www.facebook.com/BMW.M/videos/2663685253671893/ I really like the black/beige seats. Some views make it look a little yellow but I bet pics that look more brown are the accurate ones. |
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Once the weight distribution %’s are known one can roughly quantify the significance for improving the CG and SSF (static stability factor, equals [track width/2] divided by CG height). For my previous calculations based on Curb wt of 4317 lbs and moon roof wt of 67 lbs., the CG was lowered 1” and the SSF improved from 1.26 to a near car-like 1.32. Obviously moon roof delete of 112 lbs. will be even more significant. Loads of online sites review and discuss these terms if you search CG and SSF and desire more background on the subject. As the US Govt and Automotive Industry have worked diligently for > 15 years to lower rollover accidents, most common in SUVs and Pick-ups, by stressing the value in lowering CG and raising SSF in vehicle design, it is incomprehensible to me that BMW wouldn’t/couldn’t get quick approval from Govt agencies on this simple request of replacing a heavy moon roof with a solid OEM aluminum version here in the US. The FDA has proven it can fast track meds which clearly show significant clinical benefit when side effect data support safety. And in this case, extensive literature and studies documenting the critical benefits of making such changes to SUVs are readily available, fully endorsed and encouraged by the NHTSA of the DOT, which actually demanded ‘Rollover resistance ratings. And there is no expense to BMW as they already have a solid roof going on X3Ms to other countries. It’s one thing for the ’18 G01 models in the US to not get the M Sport steering wheel, but this is a totally different ballgame and one that clearly impacts safety. And although a CFRP roof would have been even more helpful, it probably only removes an additional 18 lbs. over the OEM solid Al roof so hard to be dogmatic on that, even though I lobbied heavily for it and still think it should be an option for M Enthusiasts. So if Ibiza is correct in his assertion that US X3M owners will not be able to delete the Moon Roof from our orders, a choice which would clearly improve our safety and the stability of our X3M (and thereby improve handling and cornering and surely skid pad data), perhaps some calls to NHTSA and DOT are in order to see what they could recommend … |
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In all seriousness, didn't BMW already crash the X3M without the fat kid on the roof in the EU? They do test for safety there, right? Damn I have too much free time today.
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You don't crash test vehicles for reflectors (or maybe you do) but I get your point.
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Maybe it is our $2400 roof delete option. Not sure what Germans must be thinking - it is Ok to roll the car at 155 with glass roof but at 177 it is just a no-no |
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But if you really haven't read much on the subject I would respectfully suggest reading some of it. This isn't about CF bling for parts (which look great but have little to do with aerodynamics or weight savings for the small parts offered). It is the SUV group (and other taller vehicles) these initiatives are specifically targeting considering they are inherently more unstable than lower platforms. The stability controls which BMW and others have instituted have gone a long way to improve the risks, but they aren't fool-proof against the Physics involved. And to be clear, my point is not about resurrecting hope for the CFRP (that is a lost cause), but rather simply allowing US customers the chance to opt out of the heavy moon roof (if Ibiza's comment is accurate). There really is no tenable argument here against the benefits of removing 112 lbs off the roof of a car when it comes to dynamics and handling. Here are some links as background: https://www-esv.nhtsa.dot.gov/procee...ESV-000153.PDF http://www.accidentreconstruction.co...ers%5b1%5d.pdf https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/809868 https://www.nap.edu/read/10308/chapter/4 |
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I agree that it's a gas thirsty, but in a low cost fuel state (SC) it's relative as the X3M with the S58 will have better MPG than the V8 S63.
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It was a big design element with BMW marketing the heck out of it - seemed strange that the design and marketing team pushed an aesthetic non-functional component. Turns out engineers from BMW claimed one side was functional (but the functional side depended on geography) to cool the ECU. |
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I think thats a M3 in front of it, if it is then this is a good photo to show SO vs TR color.
Also note that BMW Blog says they were not allowed to take interior photos, makes you wonder if thats because this car has the "updated dash" that is rumored to come with August production... although the Nav screen in this photo doesn't appear slanted like the new 3 series. |
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Lol sounds counterintuitive but actual width is also dependent on profile height. A 265 40 21 P4S has a wider tread width than a 275 35 21 P4S. Check out tirerack and look at the specs for the P4S. Tread width of 9.5 vs 9.2 respectively.
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