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      05-28-2019, 02:57 PM   #155
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What a travesty. Would definitely just take the comparable Mini or Golf over this.
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      05-28-2019, 03:17 PM   #156
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Haldex?

Not for a BMW price. Thats where BMW lower their image.
Before you knew you buy a true xDrive with RWD bias. Now, is just a Haldex.
Plenty of good cars out there for less.

The new 1 series is a fail. NO, thank you.
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      05-28-2019, 03:26 PM   #157
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But when you see the base car, (configurator on bmw.de) then you get shocked. No led front or back. Analog dials, far from this cool looking Press cars.


As if that weren't the case for any other car...

Mercedes have MBUX standard on A class. That's digital.
Audi got xenon on their A3.
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      05-28-2019, 03:32 PM   #158
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The previous M140i & M135i both had lovely 3.0L in-line 6s and had a lot more character than the AWD 4 Pot Golf R, S3, Cupra & A45. This new take is just disappointing in my opinion :/ nothing really to set it apart from the rest
I guess Veloster N would be a better deal and it comes ready for the track.
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Will this be coming to the US?
A tale old as time
I would buy this over any new MINI if available in the US. But do prefer the previous RWD version for looks and driving dynamics.
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Haldex?

Isn't that what Volvo and VW use?
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      05-28-2019, 04:32 PM   #161
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So it’s no stunner but it’s way better looking than the hideous Mk1 & Mk2 cars!!
So it’s fwd... it’s a family hatchback!! I’ve had some great driving fwd cars and you really shouldn’t be drifting round corners on public roads anyways! If you want a track car get a Cayman or a 2 series!!
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Haldex?

Not for a BMW price. Thats where BMW lower their image.
Before you knew you buy a true xDrive with RWD bias. Now, is just a Haldex.
Plenty of good cars out there for less.

The new 1 series is a fail. NO, thank you.
How do you know itís a fail? What good cars are there for less? You got to drive it before the press?
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      05-28-2019, 05:20 PM   #163
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As an NA-person
Your car is a 2.0 turbo. Not a NA.
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      05-28-2019, 06:49 PM   #164
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Your car is a 2.0 turbo. Not a NA.
Nicely done. I meant North America...but...nicely done.
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They've had a case of manual Alzheimer's for a while now.
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I do find it funny that the GTI/Golf R beat both generations of rwd 1er and you guys are crying about it losing rwd. I realize we're a US driven forum, but surely some of you have driven the 1er on vacation? Or even a non M 1 series or 2 series?

I've driven both generations a few times and we owned a 135i coupe. Understeering, harsh ride without commiserate handling prowess, poor packaging, cramped interiors. There's really nothing to lose with this switch. Sure, it could/should be marketed as a Mini, but aside from that, it's likely going to be a better car than the previous versions.
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They've had a case of manual Alzheimer's for a while now.
I thought it was actually, selective memory.
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I do find it funny that the GTI/Golf R beat both generations of rwd 1er and you guys are crying about it losing rwd. I realize we're a US driven forum, but surely some of you have driven the 1er on vacation? Or even a non M 1 series or 2 series?

I've driven both generations a few times and we owned a 135i coupe. Understeering, harsh ride without commiserate handling prowess, poor packaging, cramped interiors. There's really nothing to lose with this switch. Sure, it could/should be marketed as a Mini, but aside from that, it's likely going to be a better car than the previous versions.
I"ll take a 135i w/non run flat tires any day over this offering
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I do find it funny that the GTI/Golf R beat both generations of rwd 1er and you guys are crying about it losing rwd. I realize we're a US driven forum, but surely some of you have driven the 1er on vacation? Or even a non M 1 series or 2 series?

I've driven both generations a few times and we owned a 135i coupe. Understeering, harsh ride without commiserate handling prowess, poor packaging, cramped interiors. There's really nothing to lose with this switch. Sure, it could/should be marketed as a Mini, but aside from that, it's likely going to be a better car than the previous versions.
I"ll take a 135i w/non run flat tires any day over this offering
Still terrible shocks, even with PSS ours rode like it was mad at the road. My M Coupe drove circles around it with a shorter wheelbase and yet had a much smoother ride. Funny that my parts bin car actually felt a lot more cohesive than that thing. Of course it felt like a flawless diamond compared to our F30.
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I do find it funny that the GTI/Golf R beat both generations of rwd 1er and you guys are crying about it losing rwd. I realize we're a US driven forum, but surely some of you have driven the 1er on vacation? Or even a non M 1 series or 2 series?

I've driven both generations a few times and we owned a 135i coupe. Understeering, harsh ride without commiserate handling prowess, poor packaging, cramped interiors. There's really nothing to lose with this switch. Sure, it could/should be marketed as a Mini, but aside from that, it's likely going to be a better car than the previous versions.
I"ll take a 135i w/non run flat tires any day over this offering
Still terrible shocks, even with PSS ours rode like it was mad at the road. My M Coupe drove circles around it with a shorter wheelbase and yet had a much smoother ride. Funny that my parts bin car actually felt a lot more cohesive than that thing. Of course it felt like a flawless diamond compared to our F30.
I still prefer RWD.

Wow the F30 was that bad?
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Still terrible shocks, even with PSS ours rode like it was mad at the road. My M Coupe drove circles around it with a shorter wheelbase and yet had a much smoother ride. Funny that my parts bin car actually felt a lot more cohesive than that thing. Of course it felt like a flawless diamond compared to our F30.
There was something naughty about drifting a small hatchback. Now all the fun is gone for the sake of practicality and cost cutting.

Imagine how awesome the car's balance would have been with the current 4 cylinder turbo and RWD. I've always found AWD ridiculous in small hot hatches as they add appreciable weight.

This is just a bloated Countryman with BMW badge.
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M135i's fun factor alone won Chris Harris over arguably better looking and tech of RS3 despite its ugly face.

Who in the right mind would buy this over even S3 or A35? I am almost certain it won't be offered in MT either.

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