[Juhazi]

I understood that battery never goes below 20%. If full-electric drive ends, recharging starts immediately (when decelerating). So you always have the electric torque and power available for spurts. Same applies for all hybrids!

Towing heavy loads uphill is not the strong point of hybrids. Turbo-diesels are best for trucks!

[BMWZ4]

Congrats! BTW, no snow in Sweden?!

[NordicX3]

No snow in Stockholm at least. Extremely warm weather all winter so far. Very strange and a bit worrying to be honest....

[BMWZ4]

Originally Posted by NordicX3

No snow in Stockholm at least. Extremely warm weather all winter so far. Very strange and a bit worrying to be honest....

Incredible there's no snow there. Well, enjoy the new car! It's a beauty. I will be curious to read about mileage/range once you've had a chance to break it in

[admranger]

Originally Posted by NordicX3

No snow in Stockholm at least. Extremely warm weather all winter so far. Very strange and a bit worrying to be honest....

Wish I had the time to attend the electric mine conference there later in March. Too many other obligations and I’ve always wanted to see where part of my family history originated!

[Juhazi]

Yes, a strange winter in Finland too. Southern part without snow and lakes with all time record of water level and very thin ice. In the North all time record snow height and steady freezing temps.

https://www.foreca.fi/Finland/Jyvaskyla/map/lumensyvyys

Great savings in house heating costs and happy +cheap driving without extra heating. Friction grip tires are best choice for 4wd cars.

[NordicX3]

Originally Posted by Juhazi

Yes, a strange winter in Finland too. Southern part without snow and lakes with all time record of water level and very thin ice. In the North all time record snow height and steady freezing temps.

https://www.foreca.fi/Finland/Jyvaskyla/map/lumensyvyys

Great savings in house heating costs and happy +cheap driving without extra heating. Friction grip tires are best choice for 4wd cars.

Yep, agree on the tires. I finally chose the Continental Viking Contact 7 Nordic friction tires. Great tires with amazing comfort with 20” rims. I have always had Nokian as I’ve always thought they are the best and I want to support Finnish business (I’m Finnish as well although I live in Sweden). But this time I read the test where Continental won before Nokian Hakka R3s. I would assume R3s are great tires as well. I had R2s in two previous cars, which were great. Conti got great reviews on comfort and given the wheel size I thought this would be important. I have 21” RFTs coming on the summer tires and a bit afraid on the comfort part….

[chx437]

This is not so much about X3 but about the BMW logistics from USA to Europe and to Finland. My X3 30e was produced in Spartanburg, USA on 2nd week of January and then delivered for shipping. The logistics chain goes as follows:

Charleston (USA) 17.01.2020: loaded on W&W Freedom
Baltimore (USA) 18.01.2020
Antwerp (Belgium) 3.2.2020
Bremerhaven (Germany) 4.2.3020
Bremerhaven 8.2.2020 loaded on W&W Theben
Gothenburg (Sweden) 10.2.2020
Zeebrugge (Belgium) 13.2.2020
Zeebrugge 14.2.2020 loaded on UECC Auto Energy
Bremerhaven (Germany) 15.2.2020 …second visit in Bremerhaven
Malmö (Sweden) 19.2.2020, now (21.2.2020) on its way in Baltic Sea

Estimated next stops:
St. Petersburg (Russia) 22.2.2020
Hanko (Finland) 24.2.2020: this is the destination!

The above visited ports are not the obvious and most direct route to Finland but hopefully the car finally finds its way “home”.

[asyvan]

Originally Posted by chx437

This is not so much about X3 but about the BMW logistics from USA to Europe and to Finland. My X3 30e was produced in Spartanburg, USA on 2nd week of January and then delivered for shipping. The logistics chain goes as follows:

Charleston (USA) 17.01.2020: loaded on W&W Freedom
Baltimore (USA) 18.01.2020
Antwerp (Belgium) 3.2.2020
Bremerhaven (Germany) 4.2.3020
Bremerhaven 8.2.2020 loaded on W&W Theben
Gothenburg (Sweden) 10.2.2020
Zeebrugge (Belgium) 13.2.2020
Zeebrugge 14.2.2020 loaded on UECC Auto Energy
Bremerhaven (Germany) 15.2.2020 …second visit in Bremerhaven
Malmö (Sweden) 19.2.2020, now (21.2.2020) on its way in Baltic Sea

Estimated next stops:
St. Petersburg (Russia) 22.2.2020
Hanko (Finland) 24.2.2020: this is the destination!

The above visited ports are not the obvious and most direct route to Finland but hopefully the car finally finds its way “home”.

What?
That's like the car is on a world wide tour. Hope it doesn't decide to go to Australia as well.

[Juhazi]

Originally Posted by NordicX3

Yep, agree on the tires. I finally chose the Continental Viking Contact 7 Nordic friction tires. Great tires with amazing comfort with 20” rims. I have always had Nokian as I’ve always thought they are the best and I want to support Finnish business (I’m Finnish as well although I live in Sweden). But this time I read the test where Continental won before Nokian Hakka R3s. I would assume R3s are great tires as well. I had R2s in two previous cars, which were great. Conti got great reviews on comfort and given the wheel size I thought this would be important. I have 21” RFTs coming on the summer tires and a bit afraid on the comfort part….

yep, same tires here! my E83 had friction Nokians and they were ok but worn out. Contis won a tire test in Tekniikan Maailma magazine, at in TM we trust! No regrets and also my choice for the 30e!

I am to old and scrary to put friction tires on a 2wd, spikes are needed!

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chx, how did you get that info? It is not available for consumers in Finland as far as I know. Is the VN in ordering document the real VN of the vehicle?

[tonyb15re]

Originally Posted by chx437

This is not so much about X3 but about the BMW logistics from USA to Europe and to Finland. My X3 30e was produced in Spartanburg, USA on 2nd week of January and then delivered for shipping. The logistics chain goes as follows:

Charleston (USA) 17.01.2020: loaded on W&W Freedom
Baltimore (USA) 18.01.2020
Antwerp (Belgium) 3.2.2020
Bremerhaven (Germany) 4.2.3020
Bremerhaven 8.2.2020 loaded on W&W Theben
Gothenburg (Sweden) 10.2.2020
Zeebrugge (Belgium) 13.2.2020
Zeebrugge 14.2.2020 loaded on UECC Auto Energy
Bremerhaven (Germany) 15.2.2020 …second visit in Bremerhaven
Malmö (Sweden) 19.2.2020, now (21.2.2020) on its way in Baltic Sea

Estimated next stops:
St. Petersburg (Russia) 22.2.2020
Hanko (Finland) 24.2.2020: this is the destination!

The above visited ports are not the obvious and most direct route to Finland but hopefully the car finally finds its way “home”.

You have to laugh at the irony of a Hybrid car thats allegedly more eco friendly than an average car tripping around the globe so much..

Also to be controversial, why bother with a hybrid for a piddly little 30km of battery power it all seems a bit pointless to me for the extra cost over a standard petrol variant. Only advantage is a bit of saving on Road tax I expect and the ability to drive around low emission zones.

[Chrhun]

Originally Posted by tonyb15re

Also to be controversial, why bother with a hybrid for a piddly little 30km of battery power it all seems a bit pointless to me for the extra cost over a standard petrol variant. Only advantage is a bit of saving on Road tax I expect and the ability to drive around low emission zones.

You are talking with Finnish guys here, the tax savings compared to a similar performance petrol or diesel car is 20000-25000 euros. This makes it quite logical to buy one, even if you are never planning to plug it in. It's a different discussion completely whether this kind of politics make any sense.

Mine was produced 28th January, I'd also be interested to follow it's travels.

[NordicX3]

Originally Posted by tonyb15re

Also to be controversial, why bother with a hybrid for a piddly little 30km of battery power it all seems a bit pointless to me for the extra cost over a standard petrol variant. Only advantage is a bit of saving on Road tax I expect and the ability to drive around low emission zones.

To answer that, I guess like with lots of other thing one could say that what seems to be pointless for someone can make a lot of sense for others.

On the economical part, I guess that depends where you live. In the Nordic countries, where I live, there is certainly a very strong case for buying a hybrid for total cost of ownership. In Norway and Finland where car taxes are generally very high the taxation is much lower for a hybrid and you get a hybrid for a “basic” model price. And generally hybrids are much better equipped and have much more power than the standard version. In Sweden also, despite generally lower car taxes, it makes a lot of sense economically to have a hybrid corporate car.

Then when it comes to usage there is a bit similar point. I, and lots of others, drive most of their km’s/miles to work or near home. I for example drive 90% of my driving electric. From the economical point of view it makes sense as the consumption of electric power is cheaper than petrol. At the same time, with hybrids you maintain the range once you do longer trips with your family with no need for long charging and possible waiting time which you can have with a pure electric vehicle.

Then there is the angle of comfort. Generally driving electric is very quiet, without any engine vibrations, and the cars have a decent performance in lower city speeds, driving 100% electric. It is VERY comfortable in city traffic and queues. I would for example choose my 30e any day before a M40i, which is undoubtedly a great car, for only driving to work. I think performance SUVs like M40i are fantastic but in my case driving to work is 90% of my driving and hence a 30e makes a lot of sense for not only economical reasons. So that is why I did not even consider any other car than a hybrid when I bought mine.

But I do agree that maybe a hybrid does not make sense for everybody and there are of course strong arguments for buying other versions of X3s, also depending where you live.

[chx437]

Originally Posted by tonyb15re

You have to laugh at the irony of a Hybrid car thats allegedly more eco friendly than an average car tripping around the globe so much..

Also to be controversial, why bother with a hybrid for a piddly little 30km of battery power it all seems a bit pointless to me for the extra cost over a standard petrol variant. Only advantage is a bit of saving on Road tax I expect and the ability to drive around low emission zones.

Depends on where you live: here in Finland X3 30e is cheaper than 20d even with a good set of add-ons and features because our high car taxes are strongly depending on the CO2 emission values. So hybrid cars are favored. In my case our daily driving can be mostly done within the "electric range" of 30e. When needed, its provides you roughly the same power as 30i. And when you can charge the car in your garage with the rather cheap Finnish electric energy (14 cents/kWh), the hybrid alternative is a quite reasonable
solution ...

[Juhazi]

Yes, vast majority of Scandinavians live in suburbs, and public transportation works only in rather large cities. Terrible weather and too long distance for daily biking, specially with kids and groceries...

40km electric range is enough for most people. I can drive 5 days with that! A colleague drives daily 100-300km and he switched from diesel to biogas. We discusssed and agreed that PHEV doesn't suit his needs.

Most EVs cannot tow heavy trailers. Charging points are hard to find on countryside. Freezing temperatures 4-6 months a year make EV range awfully low.

[JDG86]

Hi guys,

After a test drive a couple of weeks ago when the first x3 hybrid arrived at my BMW dealer, I also placed my order for the x3 xdrive 3.0e, M sport version, full option in glaciersilver color.
Unfortunately I need to wait for it until the end of july..

For the moment I drive a Macan S, with 340hp, I love driving this car a lot but taxes for it are huge in Belgium compared to a true hybrid or electric vehicle..

[Alias1431]

Nice spec!

[Tokke]

Originally Posted by JDG86

Hi guys,

After a test drive a couple of weeks ago when the first x3 hybrid arrived at my BMW dealer, I also placed my order for the x3 xdrive 3.0e, M sport version, full option in glaciersilver color.
Unfortunately I need to wait for it until the end of july..

For the moment I drive a Macan S, with 340hp, I love driving this car a lot but taxes for it are huge in Belgium compared to a true hybrid or electric vehicle..

Are you sure the car will be ok to be classified as a true hybrid now and in the near future? Under nedc the emissions range from 48-52. Under wltp I think it is always over 50... for this I’m scare to go to a X3 30e.

[bmwlars]

Hej är dålig på engelska så jag skriver på svenska.


Har beställt en BMW xDrive30e

Säljaren säger att bilen tillverkarkas i Sydafrika på https://www.google.se/search?q=BMW+P...;client=safari

Och att transporten tar ca 11 veckor tills att bilen finns hos bilhandlaren.

Såg att en annan här på forumet kunde följa sin bil från fabrik till sin bilhandlare.

Beställde bilen 2020-02-13 och får den vecka 14

[asyvan]

Originally Posted by bmwlars

Hej är dålig på engelska så jag skriver på svenska.


Har beställt en BMW xDrive30e

Säljaren säger att bilen tillverkarkas i Sydafrika på https://www.google.se/search?q=BMW+P...;client=safari

Och att transporten tar ca 11 veckor tills att bilen finns hos bilhandlaren.

Såg att en annan här på forumet kunde följa sin bil från fabrik till sin bilhandlare.

Beställde bilen 2020-02-13 och får den vecka 14

Here is a Google translate of the above post.


Hello is bad in English so I write in Swedish.

Have ordered a BMW xDrive30e

The seller says the car is being manufactured in South Africa at https://www.google.com/search?q=BMW+...;client=safari

And that the transport takes about 11 weeks until the car is at the car dealer.

Saw that another person here on the forum could follow his car from factory to his car dealer.

Ordered the car 2020-02-13 and receive it on week 14

[admranger]

To be honest, the best part of having my X5 40e was close in parking that was nearly always available when I’d go to the Pentagon City Costco!

[egon0119]

The tax situation in the US isn't nearly as dramatic as in the Scandinavian countries but it is worth a look.

With the configuration I'm window shopping, the PHEV model commands a price premium of $3,600. The federal tax credit for the 2020 BMW X3 xDrive30e is $5,836 so it covers the cost of the option plus an additional $2,236.