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Originally Posted by allen3ybq

But new engine in the same generation like the M2 is just BAD. BMW really knows how to piss off people.

It's not a new engine; just a slightly tweaked old one. Do you really think that you will be able to tell the difference between the 2019 and 2020 models of the M40i during regular driving (using a blind test, though I don't know how this would be implemented)? I doubt it--the torque is basically the same. You can always flash the 2019 model with a new tune. Will beat the hell out of a standard 2020 model.

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Originally Posted by beammeupscottie

Am I the only one who could care less about this new live cockpit with ID7? I like the current instrument cluster in the X3MC...the live cockpit looks down market imho....

You are not the only one. The new instrument cluster looks like crap to me. They clearly tried to maximize the central area of the LCD display for all the BS that can be displayed in the HUD or the iDrive display. I like having round speedometer and tachometer, and I especially like both needles to move clockwise.

[ContactPatch]

Originally Posted by gugin

You are not the only one. The new instrument cluster looks like crap to me. They clearly tried to maximize the central area of the LCD display for all the BS that can be displayed in the HUD or the iDrive display. I like having round speedometer and tachometer, and I especially like both needles to move clockwise.

Agreed, the live cockpit (cluster) looks like something you would configure on a playstation driving game. Another cluster_uck!

[geddylee]

Hate to pile on but I agree. I hate the live cockpit so much that I am looking at options from Porsche and Audi for my next vehicle. It's a complete failure and another sign that BMW has lost the plot.

[Rapcat]

Originally Posted by allen3ybq

After owning 6 bmws in the last 8 years I felt so betrayed by the BMW after owning my 2019 X3 M40i for less than a year lol.
2020 model got the new engine, idrive, tech, gauge cluster, what else.......good job BMW

I got mine 4 weeks ago. They told me there was no iDrive7, no HP increase. And my lease on my old car isn’t up till April. So I didn’t even need a car yet. Fuck those guys. I should’ve ordered a 2020

[Zero71]

I love the live view cockpit. Was really nice in the X5 I had a seat in. The old digital one looks really dated. Live View and ID7 are what really change the interior vs the last two cars I've owned -2013 3 series and 2017 4 series. I'm looking forward to something new.

I hate the stupid plastic rings on the old digital dash. No need for those to be there on an otherwise full digital dash.

[allen3ybq]

Originally Posted by rapcat

i got mine 4 weeks ago. They told me there was no idrive7, no hp increase. And my lease on my old car isn’t up till april. So i didn’t even need a car yet. Fuck those guys. I should’ve ordered a 2020

you have 200 more reasons to be more mad than i am lol
sorry man
if i were you, i would go back and confront with my sales person.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Rapcat

I got mine 4 weeks ago. They told me there was no iDrive7, no HP increase. And my lease on my old car isn’t up till April. So I didn’t even need a car yet. Fuck those guys. I should’ve ordered a 2020

This is exactly why I've been running my forecasting thread for 6+ years now. All the updates for 2020 G01/G02 were posted there many months ago.

And never ever trust your dealer to know what's coming. On multiple occasions I broke the news to the people at the dealership I went to when I still had a BMW. They're kept in the dark by BMW NA HQ until just before the new cars go on sale.

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

This is exactly why I've been running my forecasting thread for 6+ years now. All the updates for 2020 G01/G02 were posted there many months ago. And never ever trust your dealer to know what's coming. On multiple occasions I broke the news to the people at the dealership I went to when I still had a BMW. They're kept in the dark by BMW NA HQ until just before the new cars go on sale.

ynguldyn, so we understand, you think that the B56M engine code that is in the MY20 X3 nd X4 M40i Pricing Guides (and is the same code as in the MY19 Guides) is wrong and it should be B56D? I've seen plenty of clerical errors or minor equipment errors in past Guides, but never this sort of basic model error.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by hinckley

ynguldyn, so we understand, you think that the B56M engine code that is in the MY20 X3 nd X4 M40i Pricing Guides (and is the same code as in the MY19 Guides) is wrong and it should be B56D? I've seen plenty of clerical errors or minor equipment errors in past Guides, but never this sort of basic model error.

B58, not B56.

I truly don't understand what's going on. In all systems the new cars show B58D. However the old engine info is present not just in the US order guide but also in the documents for several other countries I checked. Canada is the only, very weird exception. And this is why it would be so important for someone to eyeball the engine of an actual car and put an end to this mystery.

[dylan1357]

Over the years...going back decades, various manufacturers have tried their hand at different dashboards always returning to the classic dials as they provide the best user experience

These are maybe where the BMW designers found their inspiration

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

B58, not B56.

I truly don't understand what's going on. In all systems the new cars show B58D. However the old engine info is present not just in the US order guide but also in the documents for several other countries I checked. Canada is the only, very weird exception. And this is why it would be so important for someone to eyeball the engine of an actual car and put an end to this mystery.

Got it. fwiw, I don't think anyone has an engine to eyeball as M40i SOP is September. My car has a scheduled production of the first week of September and I have a PCD scheduled for 9/27. But I would guess that there will be a dealer delivery before my PCD to solve the mystery. Thanks again for all your great work and insights.

[Ilyam5]

2020 is a strange year for bmw updates. They pulled major updates on unsuspected customers all over the board
7 series LCI pretty much gave them the new car with new engine 750 and all new tech
M550 just did it at year change without Lci
What is weird - is that 5 series and x3/x4 Only got half the tech updade. Bmw put the i drive 7 but stopped half way
- no laser lights
- no assistance pro self driving
- no remote start
- no key card
- no digital key on phone
- no drive recorder

Only x5, 3 series and 7 lci got full update - and the x3 m is left completely in the dust with old tech and no i drive 7 - go figure

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

2020 is a strange year for bmw updates.

I agree. But there's a glass half-full argument to be made as well. There are a lot of little upgrades in MY20 5 and X3/4. Put together, they're a big deal imo. BMW would usually leave most of those upgrades to the LCI, so we're getting them early. And I think that most of the stuff we're not getting now will come later in the MY22 LCI. The X3/4 M is a different story. The only thing I can image is that BMW wants use the M8 to rollout the M version of Live Cockpit Pro (which can toggle between different screen formats) and with it, iDrive 7. So first year of the X3/4 M are left without it. It's something I'd wait for if I was in the market for one of those vehicles, and I'll bet they'll be a lot of pissed off owners next spring when the MY21 models are released with both Live Cockpit Pro M and iDrive 7.

[Zero71]

Which cubby is this (I don't have my X3 yet, but just curious).

edit: it's the armrest isn't it. doh!

Originally Posted by JayPichardo

Here you go. 2020 X3 and X4.

[Zero71]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

This is exactly why I've been running my forecasting thread for 6+ years now. All the updates for 2020 G01/G02 were posted there many months ago.

And never ever trust your dealer to know what's coming. On multiple occasions I broke the news to the people at the dealership I went to when I still had a BMW. They're kept in the dark by BMW NA HQ until just before the new cars go on sale.

Yes! It's thanks to this forum that I waited. My dealership had no idea, I even had to guide them to the build week. It's not stupidity on their part either, they just weren't told. BMW surely want to clear their 2019 parts stock first, so why tell folk.

[GOLFFRR]

the new interiors of the BMWs have def stepped up with the newer models coming out IMO

[cipher5]

Originally Posted by Rapcat

I got mine 4 weeks ago. They told me there was no iDrive7, no HP increase. And my lease on my old car isn’t up till April. So I didn’t even need a car yet. Fuck those guys. I should’ve ordered a 2020

Unless you have a really savvy CA, dealerships know nothing about what's coming and might not even care. Your own research and the internet are far better sources in this situation. Never trust the dealer to give you the up to date information, they just want to make a sale from you, unless you find a rare dealer that cares about you as a customer and wants to get you what you want.

[Alias1431]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

B58, not B56.

I truly don't understand what's going on. In all systems the new cars show B58D. However the old engine info is present not just in the US order guide but also in the documents for several other countries I checked. Canada is the only, very weird exception. And this is why it would be so important for someone to eyeball the engine of an actual car and put an end to this mystery.

Might be the TU, but de-tuned to encourage X4 sales. Much easier than running two different engine build lines.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Alias1431

Might be the TU, but de-tuned to encourage X4 sales. Much easier than running two different engine build lines.

Nope. It says "285kW" right next to "B58D".

Also, I've just received an independent confirmation that there was an issue with the content of the dealer communication and the engine has in fact been upgraded.

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I've just received an independent confirmation that there was an issue with the content of the dealer communication and the engine has in fact been upgraded.

I've decided to believe anything you say over anything that BMW says! It's impossible to express how grateful we all are to your contributions.

btw, do you whether new Guides have been released? I'd love to be able to order Extended Shadowline Content (a/k/a Cerium Delete) like Canada and the ROW.

[VMMVMMM]

Originally Posted by beammeupscottie

Am I the only one who could care less about this new live cockpit with ID7? I like the current instrument cluster in the X3MC...the live cockpit looks down market imho....

Nope, you are definitely not alone. Experiencing both, I personally very much prefer the 2019 ID6 version.