[Rayers1997]

Originally Posted by 2011zx10R

And the 18's are even nicer on high performance Continental DWS 06
32 psi.

I still have a new set of the Michelin's in the basement. I'll slap those on another set of 18's for spring/summer

my car wouldnt even consider hooking at 32 psi. my rears are at 27

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

How so?
MB GLC63: $69.9k
MB GLC63 Coupe: $81.8k
Macan GTS and Turbo: $68.9 and $77.2k respectively

Realize that these are "base" prices too

Is BMW trying to compete with Porsche in this segment?

It's hard to compare the M3 --> 911 because they're not really direct competitors...I am not sure BMW swings in the same sort of ballpark with Porsche, either from a brand prestige or performance point of view, at least most of the time.

Maybe they're going to try in this instance?

The X3M looks pretty awesome to me, but I can't see spending 80K for the Competition...maybe I would feel differently after seeing them in the flesh or getting a test drive, but that's pretty salty.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by W///

How so?
MB GLC63: $69.9k
MB GLC63 Coupe: $81.8k
Macan GTS and Turbo: $68.9 and $77.2k respectively

Realize that these are "base" prices too

not to mention Alfa Stelvio Quad $80K and Jaguar F Pace SVR $80K base

[Mako]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Is BMW trying to compete with Porsche in this segment?

It's hard to compare the M3 --> 911 because they're not really direct competitors...I am not sure BMW swings in the same sort of ballpark with Porsche, either from a brand prestige or performance point of view, at least most of the time.

Maybe they're going to try in this instance?

The X3M looks pretty awesome to me, but I can't see spending 80K for the Competition...maybe I would feel differently after seeing them in the flesh or getting a test drive, but that's pretty salty.

My M3 was $76,500 (2016) and wasn't even the comp model and didn't have anything special (not even LED lights) it was pretty basic, DCT, extended leather, premium package...

the $7,000 upgrade includes 21" wheels, different exhaust, upgraded seats, and 30 hp boost (with waranty). maybe a couple other little things as well. A lot of people buying this car would probably get bigger wheels, upgraded exhaust and seats anyway, so then its $3,000 (4% roughly) for the extra power.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Is BMW trying to compete with Porsche in this segment?

It's hard to compare the M3 --> 911 because they're not really direct competitors...I am not sure BMW swings in the same sort of ballpark with Porsche, either from a brand prestige or performance point of view, at least most of the time.

Maybe they're going to try in this instance?

The X3M looks pretty awesome to me, but I can't see spending 80K for the Competition...maybe I would feel differently after seeing them in the flesh or getting a test drive, but that's pretty salty.

Not saying whether it's worth it or not, but it's priced right where it's supposed to be. Keep in mind, the Porsches have literally zero options, so they'll cost far more than those starting prices posted.

As much as I like the X3M, I'd probably rather have an M2C + 4Runner DD combo. Right car for the right job, not to mention 6MT

That's just the reality of these new cars. Half decent Honda Accords are 30k+ now, while F80's can be easily $80k if you aren't careful.

[SamS]

Did we figure out if the front fender vent is still fake?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Mako

My M3 was $76,500 (2016) and wasn't even the comp model and didn't have anything special (not even LED lights) it was pretty basic, DCT, extended leather, premium package...

the $7,000 upgrade includes 21" wheels, different exhaust, upgraded seats, and 30 hp boost (with waranty). maybe a couple other little things as well. A lot of people buying this car would probably get bigger wheels, upgraded exhaust and seats anyway, so then its $3,000 (4% roughly) for the extra power.

I think the Competition is worth it from a cost perspective, in terms of % over the "base" - my comment to @W was more along the lines of whether BMW can really compete with Porsche, base or competition.

Originally Posted by W///

Not saying whether it's worth it or not, but it's priced right where it's supposed to be. Keep in mind, the Porsches have literally zero options, so they'll cost far more than those starting prices posted.

As much as I like the X3M, I'd probably rather have an M2C + 4Runner DD combo. Right car for the right job, not to mention 6MT

That's just the reality of these new cars. Half decent Honda Accords are 30k+ now, while F80's can be easily $80k if you aren't careful.

I haven't ever been impressed with the performance of small SUVs - my fiance has a Q3 and it's great for her, not so much fun for me. Likewise, when I had my 981, I always got Macans or Cayennes as loaners, and even the S or GTS level trims left a lot to be desired in terms of capabilities.

With that being said...I might be interested in the X3M just for the convenience associated with the winter weather we get here in Chicago. My F80 has been parked all week because I haven't got snow tires for it...and it's basically worthless when we have anything on the ground.

[einscot]

the gray and red seats look hideous

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by SamS

Did we figure out if the front fender vent is still fake?

Of course it is. Most vents on BMW's are fake.

[Fugly M3]

I think the price thing is interesting. These two are in a much more competitive space than the M3/4. BMW cannot come out with a car that has a base price near Macan Turbo level, I just don't see that working. Macan GTS level is probably about right, for the X3M. Given that, I agree with the earlier comments that these are going to seriously eat into M3/4 sales.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by W///

How so?
MB GLC63: $69.9k
MB GLC63 Coupe: $81.8k
Macan GTS and Turbo: $68.9 and $77.2k respectively

Realize that these are "base" prices too

Ok, I stand corrected then. I did not know the competition cars were that expensive!

Thanks for pointing that out.

[Max Well]

I may have missed it, but has anyone seen the % distribution yet? With the G01 it was on the Technical Data sheet at release, but I can't find it on the German one Frank_NJ shared.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Of course it is. Most vents on BMW's are fake.

Right, but not on Ms (except for M2 that is).

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by SamS

Right, but not on Ms (except for M2 that is).

There's a long history of fake M vents. Z3M, E46 M3, E90 M3, E60 M5, F10 M5 all have fake side vents, The X5 M has sported a fake diffuser for most generations. The Z8 had fake side vents. There's more, but this certainly isn't anything new to M Land.

[Jason]

New video:

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by FRAU GRAU

I think the price thing is interesting. These two are in a much more competitive space than the M3/4. BMW cannot come out with a car that has a base price near Macan Turbo level, I just don't see that working. Macan GTS level is probably about right, for the X3M. Given that, I agree with the earlier comments that these are going to seriously eat into M3/4 sales.

I don't think that comparison to the Macan is as simple as you make it sound. A similarly optioned GTS is going to run you low $80s and is considerably underpowered and less practical. A similarly optioned Turbo gets you scary close to $100k. Given how loaded these will come for the prices quoted, I think they are very well priced (especially considering the Merc and Jag competitors). Porsche looks great on paper when you are looking at base, but people quickly forget that the base is missing simple things that modern luxury cars should have, like LEDs, keyless entry, AC, and radio (kidding with last two, but no really look at the 911T). Also, and last but it least, lease deals on Porsche's (and even the Mercs) at those higher trim levels are atrocious, whereas BMW ones, even on an M (sans the 19 M5), lease very well. If you are a purchase guy, then that point is irrelevant.

I see this working, just as Merc is by selling their GLC AMGs like crazy even with the tech from 1996.

[VCP]

Tow capacity?

[2011zx10R]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

I don't think that comparison to the Macan is as simple as you make it sound. A similarly optioned GTS is going to run you low $80s and is considerably underpowered and less practical. A similarly optioned Turbo gets you scary close to $100k. Given how loaded these will come for the prices quoted, I think they are very well priced (especially considering the Merc and Jag competitors). Porsche looks great on paper when you are looking at base, but people quickly forget that the base is missing simple things that modern luxury cars should have, like LEDs, keyless entry, AC, and radio (kidding with last two, but no really look at the 911T). Also, and last but it least, lease deals on Porsche's (and even the Mercs) at those higher trim levels are atrocious, whereas BMW ones, even on an M (sans the 19 M5), lease very well. If you are a purchase guy, then that point is irrelevant.

I see this working, just as Merc is by selling their GLC AMGs like crazy even with the tech from 1996.

Originally Posted by Thescout13

I don't think that comparison to the Macan is as simple as you make it sound. A similarly optioned GTS is going to run you low $80s and is considerably underpowered and less practical. A similarly optioned Turbo gets you scary close to $100k. Given how loaded these will come for the prices quoted, I think they are very well priced (especially considering the Merc and Jag competitors). Porsche looks great on paper when you are looking at base, but people quickly forget that the base is missing simple things that modern luxury cars should have, like LEDs, keyless entry, AC, and radio (kidding with last two, but no really look at the 911T). Also, and last but it least, lease deals on Porsche's (and even the Mercs) at those higher trim levels are atrocious, whereas BMW ones, even on an M (sans the 19 M5), lease very well. If you are a purchase guy, then that point is irrelevant.

I see this working, just as Merc is by selling their GLC AMGs like crazy even with the tech from 1996.

Buddy of mine has a 2017 Macan gts

His biggest complaint is his inability to shift when he wants to at the lower in town speed. Not sure exactly what that means.

Other than that he said it's BOSS!

I've driven it; it's a tank in a good way!

[dmmpower]

The Competition has as much power as the Quadrifoglio. 👏🏽

I'm glad to know the laptime at the Nürburgring. 🤔

Why not iDrive 7? 😴

[///M ARMY]

Interesting, wonder if it will hurt sales for the new m3

[///M TOWN]

I never dreamed I'd be able to go 177mph in a BMW X3.

Wunderbar.

[schnell325]

Originally Posted by VCP

Tow capacity?