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      06-22-2022, 02:44 PM   #45
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Like it or not, BMW considers "M Performance" vehicles M vehicles. Full blown M characteristics have been trickling down for years now.

The best news here via the X3 M50i (probably @ 485HP) is that we get the option of one more generation of full ICE engine options. I suspect therefore the X3MC will be @ 600HP and the final full ICE variant. Don't know if this will translate to the next generation M3/M4.

Yes, G20 M340i shares very similar numbers to the F80 M3.


https://bimmerlife.com/2019/11/30/g20-m340i-acceleration-on-par-with-f80-m3-2/amp/
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      06-22-2022, 05:34 PM   #46
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So M Performance is going to have quad tailpipes now? Wow
But no M mirrors


Maybe it's just me but since I was a teen I thought part of what made M "special" was distinguishing things like the tailpipes and mirrors that non Ms didn't have.

Now BMWs all look like the range of 911s (in that a base 911 and turbo 911 hardly look any different)
Everybody gets M … M … M …
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These two look identical proportions wise.

time to see eye doctor … look at the distance btw mirrors and front wheel and rear end behind the wheel
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Highly doubt it, they aren't designing new petrol engines and I doubt BMW would push the I6 to 600 horsepower. Would be stepping on X5M toes.

50i probably 420hp if not just the 386 they have now.
They may not be designing new petrol engines anymore but they can definitely modify/upgrade/tune the S58 to reach @600HP easy. Current X3MC dynos @530HP. I also wouldn't be shocked if the X3 M50i gets a detuned version of this S engine. They are dropping everthing else into them. M-Performance is considered an M by BMW.

Next generation X5M would be right behind this one so the toe stepping wouldn't last long but isn't the current X3M already faster? X5M will always be superior in tech and luxury. Fractions of a second won't discourge future X5M owners.

It is also safe to assume that at this point the G97 will still be built on the CLAR platform since the EV Neue Klasse platform won't debut until 2025-2026 on the 3 series. Maybe in the next generation X5M but I doubt it will be worth the R&D to bring plug-in hybrid tech to this class from the XM for 30 miles of range. Maybe some sort of electrical assistance for low end torque but who knows...it's early. I'm just hoping for one more generation of ICE madness for the X3MC and leave the plug in anything out.

We need a G97 wishlist thread. Max Well where are you? 😁
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Like it or not, BMW considers "M Performance" vehicles M vehicles. Full blown M characteristics have been trickling down for years now.

The best news here via the X3 M50i (probably @ 485HP) is that we get the option of one more generation of full ICE engine options. I suspect therefore the X3MC will be @ 600HP and the final full ICE variant. Don't know if this will translate to the next generation M3/M4.

Yes, G20 M340i shares very similar numbers to the F80 M3.


https://bimmerlife.com/2019/11/30/g20-m340i-acceleration-on-par-with-f80-m3-2/amp/
Once rolling (not 0-60) it is not close. F80 has 7-10mph more trap speed. Cornering is no contest.
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      06-22-2022, 11:08 PM   #50
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look at the distance btw mirrors and front wheel and rear end behind the wheel
I'm not seeing what you're seeing. These have the same proportions albeit a few different body parts.
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      06-23-2022, 06:57 AM   #51
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... We need a G97 wishlist thread. Max Well where are you? 😁
kozzi - that seems like ages ago...

I've been so pleased with the F97 that the G97 X3MC list would be short for me:

1. True slick top - no pano or rails
2. Painted roof and side windshield trim (not the cheap grey rubber/plastic)
3. Lowered 1/2"
4. 265/295 wheels
5. Option to confirm PS4S from factory - even if have to pay more, rather than always playing the tire lottery
6. 40-50HP tune like current St1 offerings
7. Don't go all digital (leave us some buttons & knobs)
8. CFRP option for roof (you knew I'd mention it)
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look at the distance btw mirrors and front wheel and rear end behind the wheel
I'm not seeing what you're seeing. These have the same proportions albeit a few different body parts.
those two images are not good to compare since you can't get a clear view of the width and length.
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Hope they offer better seats for the US market
Judging by the x1 new interior. I'm sure new x3 will be like very plush
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Curious as to possible design differences with my 2020 F97, I attempted to recreate the angle and distance away in two images with my X3MC this morning. The original Photographer(s) clearly had a telephoto lens with a better camera whereas I just have a cell phone, but these give a rough idea. Assuming the wheelbase and track width are similar, I superimposed and adjusted image size until the rear wheels (on rear view) and central wheel BMW emblems (on side view) aligned exactly in an attempt to equalize the scale.

The main obvious difference (in this rough estimation) is the elongation of the rear which, if not faked by Styrofoam and camo bulking, may be an attempt at improving the aerodynamic profile (as the X3's internal cargo bay is already large in comparison to its competitors so would seem an unlikely reason). I traced my 2020's rear outline in yellow onto the camo image once scaling was done for ease of comparison.

Everything else seems to overlay remarkably well even though the image angle isn't exactly the same.

The rear view supports this rear extension concept by also showing the roof understandably sloping further down and the sides tapering inwards even more. Will be following with interest as the G97 progresses to production as it will replace my 2020 if end result allows.
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I think the X3 is one of the best overall medium sized SUV's on the market but I find the seats hard and there's just something about the bottom cushion and bolsters that don't agree with my hips.
yes i'm glad i'm not the only one. they felt like sitting on a bench in the park.
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      06-26-2022, 04:00 PM   #56
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Bit early for renders, but I wouldn't be surprised if it looked like this, basically a slightly different X1

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I don't really think they can designate an m50 to the higher non full M powertrain. No way they are going to be putting near 500hp for an x3 that is not a true M unless they are going towards a hybrid with twin turbo and electric motor boost?

Times out for a 2025 model year and works perfectly for when my 2022s lease will be up. Guess I know what my next X3 will be
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Bit early for renders, but I wouldn't be surprised if it looked like this, basically a slightly different X1

Yeah I could see that. The proportions are a bit out on that render though. Windscreen rake is too steep and makes it a touch boxy.
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Is it me, or does this look more like an estate/touring/wagon than an SUV? Seems to be a little shorter...maybe its just the proportions.
The rear especially looks much shorter. Not sure if it's the camouflaging but the hatch looks small, and the roof line appears to slope down more.
I think the rear looks much longer…especially the top portion. Hopefully it's just added camo.
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why is bmw fading away with "halo rings" headlights???
they seem to have deserted Angel Eyes several years ago. #olddesignlanguage
They've made worse changes...
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I do hope that it looks like a slightly bigger X1.
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Spotted in Chicago. Date - 10/23/22.
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That is a U11 X1 since it has FWD proportions.
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Just spotted this driving around Marina Del Rey in Los Angeles. For the life of me I couldn't tell if I was looking at an X3M, an X3 with fake quad tips to throw off spy shots, or a new X1M thing (it's surprisingly small in person). The narrow body arches with the quad tips is a bizarre look on a BMW
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