[Avaley]

Originally Posted by R0ut3r

It will have to wait until spring... winter wheels on both now...

which means like for like! times will be better for sure in spring but we wait eagerly

[Germanauto]

Showing a tuned car is just plain stupid.

The X3/4M Competition are blindingly fast plus they handle well enough for what they are. Really impressive car, I'd get into a lot of trouble if I owned one.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by R0ut3r

As the owner of both an X3MC with Bootmod3 and a stock 992 C4S I can say this whole video is BS... especially the 0-60. The Porsche does 3.4 easy.

My C4S walks my tuned X3MC in most if not all circumstances.

maybe the AWD makes a big difference, the video wasn't the 4S
I mean Porsche does charge around $7,000 for AWD, gotta do something

not sure BMW used launch control either, as it looked like it only revd for a split second before launch. C&D did 3.3 with launch and 4.6 without which seems right with the lag. Granted this one did have probably 50-100 more hp
Porsche with LC and AWD is a monster and thought I saw times of around 3 seconds flat

[Mako]

Originally Posted by vincechase

Too bad for the ride quality or I would buy a x3m like yesterday

Too bad for ride quality? compared to what? compared to F80 its the same or better, compared to standard suspension cars its a little rough. Shouldn't be buying a M if you want a cushy ride. Or you gotta opt for the larger ones where they give them a little softer rides (M5, X5M). New M3/M4 won't be any better ride quality than X3M, not what they are built for.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Showing a tuned car is just plain stupid.

The X3/4M Competition are blindingly fast plus they handle well enough for what they are. Really impressive car, I'd get into a lot of trouble if I owned one.

Yes, they should have taken a stock X3MC. Here is a real world acceleration video of an X3MC with a Stage 1 E30 tune, with completely stock hardware.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Yes, they should have taken a stock X3MC. Here is a real world acceleration video of an X3MC with a Stage 1 E30 tune, with completely stock hardware.

This is pretty silly tbh and i'm going to use this as reference, thank you.

TBF, this comparison is a tuned SUV that weighs significantly more vs stock 992, which people have modded / tuned far less than the S58, based on my knowledge.

I do think this speaks volumes to the potential of the S58 but I would be curious to see stock S58 in G87 vs this 911 992 as that would be the most fair comparison.

Let the BMW vs Porsche performance battles begin, whoever wins, we win more as the consumer as modern car performance shocks me with each new generation.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Avaley

This is pretty silly tbh and i'm going to use this as reference, thank you.

TBF, this comparison is a tuned SUV that weighs significantly more vs stock 992, which people have modded / tuned far less than the S58, based on my knowledge.

I do think this speaks volumes to the potential of the S58 but I would be curious to see stock S58 in G87 vs this 911 992 as that would be the most fair comparison.

Let the BMW vs Porsche performance battles begin, whoever wins, we win more as the consumer as modern car performance shocks me with each new generation.

I’m a huge 911 fan myself, X3M is my practical daily driver. Porsche will always be Porsche, but BMW won my heart in terms of affordable daily drivers that combine practicality and serious performance (their M SAVs).

[LemonOne]

Wow that X3M was super fast!
I would still take the Porsche

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

I’m a huge 911 fan myself, X3M is my practical daily driver. Porsche will always be Porsche, but BMW won my heart in terms of affordable daily drivers that combine practicality and serious performance (their M SAVs).

Yes sir! BMW simply cannot be beat imo for performance per dollar, practicality and jack of all trades coupes/SUVs/sedans/wagons.

Hell even the BMW Supra might be one of the best bang for buck, comfortable, daily-able 2 door out there all for ~$55k.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Avaley

Over the X3MC, but with this engine in a 3500 lb M2 g87, I will wait until that comes out to judge as that car will be half the price of the Porsche.

Traction will be the issue.

0-60 isn't everything. Driving a 911 is a whole different experience compared to fast X3.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Traction will be the issue.

0-60 isn't everything. Driving a 911 is a whole different experience compared to fast X3.

absolutely. But as it relates to that and in the same vein, driving a GT4 982 is a whole different experience compared to even a fast 911 turbo variants which make much more power.

same can be said for a Lotus!

edit: I forgot Alpine A110...and while we're at it the BMW M1000RR crushes all.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I'm a huge BWM fan boy, but I would take the PORSCHE.

Absolutely

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Avaley

Over the X3MC, but with this engine in a 3500 lb M2 g87,

I will wait until that comes out to judge as that car will be half the price of the Porsche.

Half the price

And it will still only drive half as good

BMW M is quite far from ever touching Porsche dynamics

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

ya that is cool a cayenne turbo S hybrid with a tune is sure to eclipse the M5. LOL...

If they have a tune on the 992 - which is coming soon from APR, I am sure this would be a more fair run.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Half the price

And it will drive half as good as well

BMW M is far away from touching P Car dynamics

true but in context of a drag race like the original post, I would say dollar for dollar BMW wins in a straight line, but some would say Porsche car dynamics have lost their enthusiast feel and 3400 lbs is too much thus a Lotus / Alpine A110 / Miata is ultimate driving dynamics.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

ya that is cool a cayenne turbo S hybrid with a tune is sure to eclipse the M5. LOL...

If they have a tune on the 992 - which is coming soon from APR, I am sure this would be a more fair run.

and how about an even more fair run an run a tuned stage 2 high boost S58 in a G87 M2CS with all the carbon fibre which would be priced less or similar?

This is opening pandora's box of downpipes, straight pipe exhausts, ethanol, weight savings, flash tune vs piggyback, failing emissions tests, big turbos and beating a dead horse

I ultimately think Nring time is the best measure of performance and both car brands are dear to my heart...enjoy each one for its own traits and personality, there is no right answer.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by Avaley

and how about an even more fair run an run a tuned stage 2 high boost S58 in a G87 M2CS with all the carbon fibre which would be priced less or similar?

This is opening pandora's box of downpipes, straight pipe exhausts, ethanol, weight savings, flash tune vs piggyback, failing emissions tests, big turbos and beating a dead horse

both car brands are dear to my heart and enjoy each one for its own traits, there is no right answer.

Originally Posted by Avaley

and how about an even more fair run an run a tuned stage 2 high boost S58 in a G87 M2CS with all the carbon fibre which would be priced less or similar?

This is opening pandora's box of downpipes, straight pipe exhausts, ethanol, weight savings, flash tune vs piggyback, failing emissions tests, big turbos and beating a dead horse

both car brands are dear to my heart and enjoy each one for its own traits, there is no right answer.

Exactly- I like the potential but these days the max I will do is a tune and sport exhaust. Focus my energy on handling.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

Exactly- I like the potential but these days the max I will do is a tune and sport exhaust. Focus my energy on handling.

You ever try a 1000cc crotch rocket?

No question that P car handles better than a BMW, M2/Supra handling feels dead to me compared to Porsches of prior generations.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by Avaley

You ever try a 1000cc crotch rocket?

Originally Posted by Avaley

and how about an even more fair run an run a tuned stage 2 high boost S58 in a G87 M2CS with all the carbon fibre which would be priced less or similar?

This is opening pandora's box of downpipes, straight pipe exhausts, ethanol, weight savings, flash tune vs piggyback, failing emissions tests, big turbos and beating a dead horse

both car brands are dear to my heart and enjoy each one for its own traits, there is no right answer.

Originally Posted by Avaley

You ever try a 1000cc crotch rocket?

I am afraid that I will die exploring the limits. So for that reason no.

[Razel]

Originally Posted by Avaley

absolutely. But as it relates to that and in the same vein, driving a GT4 982 is a whole different experience compared to even a fast 911 turbo variants which make much more power.

same can be said for a Lotus!

edit: I forgot Alpine A110...and while we're at it the BMW S1000RR crushes all.

Fixed that for ya ...

[GT500R]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

ya that is cool a cayenne turbo S hybrid with a tune is sure to eclipse the M5. LOL...

If they have a tune on the 992 - which is coming soon from APR, I am sure this would be a more fair run.

Interested if the 992 with tune can hit 10’s as easily as the S58... I’m almost mid 10’s with tune only and E50

[EXE46]

Tuned or not this SUV is a monster car. How come no crying about the massive weight advantage of the Porsche ? That is enough to put it against a tuned suv and it still lost. Think about that for a minute.

Imagine if the X3 M engine and chassis was in a car with similar weight as the Porsche it would get slaughtered even more. S58 motor is a beast as well as the chassis on this car and as such we should be giving kudos to BMW. Especially at a time where we criticize so much of what they're manufacturing.