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      06-27-2019, 01:14 AM   #1
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My M3 is my girlfriend, but I have a new 25 year old mistress

Hello all,

I'm going to start by saying I have loved my M3. My last three M3's actually. Wicked fast, a little untamed, comfortable, 4 doors.... love the wide hips. It is about as good as a daily a family guy can ask for. My current M is a 2017 comp package car.

For the longest time I have wanted an older Porsche. There aren't many around, so finding a good one isn't easy. In March I stumbled upon a car I couldn't pass up. 1995 C2, polar silver over full black leather, single owner California car, original paint, original leather, 17500 original miles. I paid more than I wanted, but sometimes it is what it is.

First off, the Carrara isn't fast. With 272 hp it has a little more that half that of the M, and it is working with about half the torque. It weighs a lot less, and the weight is obviously distributed differently. The car is 25 years old, but a lot of the architecture is much older than that. It is, however, the end of the air cooled era, so Porsche had time to massage this particular car.

After putting a little less than 1000 miles on the car (I'm driving it, not saving it) I can tell you all the hype on these cars is warranted.

The engine delivers power smoothly and in such a linear fashion.... it pulls eagerly throughout the rev range. The sound isn't piped in through the stereo speakers, but the rich mechanical sounds coming from behind you are fabulous, and the howl above 5000 rpm is intoxicating. The on/off gas transitions are just about perfect. Funny how such a modest HP never leaves the driver wishing there was more power.

There isn't any traction control, but the car can hook up to the pavement unlike any other car I have ever driven. There are none of the high strung tail happy tendencies of the M car... and I never feel the car cutting back on power to keep the rear wheels in the rear. Every bit of the engine is usable.

Driving the same roads I have come to love in the M, it is immediately obvious that the 25 year old car instills more confidence at speed. It never feels nervous or twitchy. Amazing how perfectly shocks and springs can be damped without the use of active suspensions and electronic wizardry.

The steering is a bit heavy in the driveway but it is sublime once underway. The feedback is absolutely spot on perfect, in a way the electric steering in the M car will never be, regardless of the comfort, sport and sport plus settings. The wheel on the M gets harder to turn, but still gives very little in the way of "feel".

There is no rev match in the Porsche, but downshifting is smooth and effortless, never clumsy or in the way like the computer assisted shifts on the M. It does not hold on a hill, but the clutch take up is perfect and easily controlled, even if the floor mounted clutch pedal takes a day or two to get used to. Shifts are butter smooth and mechanical, so intuitive that you almost forget you are shifting.

The car is SO balanced hustling down a windy road and pulls SO smoothly to redline it is almost embarrassing that it is getting there with 25 year old technology. It is really that good.

The 993's brakes are the best I have ever felt. Pedal pressure is required, but stand on them and the seatbelt will get tested.

The car is SOLID.... as if carved out of a single hunk of steel. Zero rattles, Zero buzzes, Zero creaks... 25 years old. Why does my M car squeak, creak, buzz and rattle like it is the older car? The constant buzz that comes from my steering wheel, the instrument cluster and that stupid phone spring in the center arm rest absolutely drives me crazy in the M. How about the creaks from the door windows?

Driving them back to back exposes the many flaws in the M. Things that I thought were great in the M are now mediocre. I hate to say it, but it is true. One car is an extension of you, the other feels like you are driving a video game.... a wildly fast video game, but a digital game none the less.

Sadly the authentic mechanical feel of the past is gone. This drive by wire era has sucked the charisma out of todays cars, even the expensive, really good ones like our M's

I WILL buy the next M when it comes out. Ill hate the digital dash, the automatic tranny and the piped in sound.... but I need something with 4 doors to take the kids to school, soccer and go to the mall in.

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Nice post buddy...Got some pics of the P-car?
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Nice post buddy...Got some pics of the P-car?
I do. I will figure out how to post them in the morning and get a few on there.
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Same way I love driving my 91 foxbody with a manual Tranny over my M3
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Nice post, thanks for sharing your p car impressions!
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Welcome to the club. I just drove mine back from the cottage this morning, 180 miles of bliss. Some twisties but a lot of highway with the cruise set at about 80 MPH, just planted. The car is originally from Texas and has 77,000 miles on it. I'll be hanging onto it for a very long time as both my wife an I love driving the bug.
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I dig my brother in law's 993 and it definitely is a planted machine. It's no wonder the older gen Porsches continue to rise in value. Enjoy in good health!
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Welcome to the club. I just drove mine back from the cottage this morning, 180 miles of bliss. Some twisties but a lot of highway with the cruise set at about 80 MPH, just planted. The car is originally from Texas and has 77,000 miles on it. I'll be hanging onto it for a very long time as both my wife an I love driving the bug.
Beautiful car and nice plate!
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thats funny. i can't see the pics.
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thats funny. i can't see the pics.
I was referring to the pics posted by Grumpy Old Man.
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I was referring to the pics posted by Grumpy Old Man.
i was referring to op's non-existent pics.
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i was referring to op's non-existent pics.
Maybe I'm making up an imaginary Porsche. You've got to be kidding me, lol
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Congrats.

Sorry to hear about the build quality issues on your M. Bimmers have always seemed very well put together to me.
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i was referring to op's non-existent pics.
Maybe I'm making up an imaginary Porsche. You've got to be kidding me, lol
We want to see it bud. We believe you. Lol
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Hello all,

I'm going to start by saying I have loved my M3. My last three M3's actually. Wicked fast, a little untamed, comfortable, 4 doors.... love the wide hips. It is about as good as a daily a family guy can ask for. My current M is a 2017 comp package car.

For the longest time I have wanted an older Porsche. There aren't many around, so finding a good one isn't easy. In March I stumbled upon a car I couldn't pass up. 1995 C2, polar silver over full black leather, single owner California car, original paint, original leather, 17500 original miles. I paid more than I wanted, but sometimes it is what it is.

First off, the Carrara isn't fast. With 272 hp it has a little more that half that of the M, and it is working with about half the torque. It weighs a lot less, and the weight is obviously distributed differently. The car is 25 years old, but a lot of the architecture is much older than that. It is, however, the end of the air cooled era, so Porsche had time to massage this particular car.

After putting a little less than 1000 miles on the car (I'm driving it, not saving it) I can tell you all the hype on these cars is warranted.

The engine delivers power smoothly and in such a linear fashion.... it pulls eagerly throughout the rev range. The sound isn't piped in through the stereo speakers, but the rich mechanical sounds coming from behind you are fabulous, and the howl above 5000 rpm is intoxicating. The on/off gas transitions are just about perfect. Funny how such a modest HP never leaves the driver wishing there was more power.

There isn't any traction control, but the car can hook up to the pavement unlike any other car I have ever driven. There are none of the high strung tail happy tendencies of the M car... and I never feel the car cutting back on power to keep the rear wheels in the rear. Every bit of the engine is usable.

Driving the same roads I have come to love in the M, it is immediately obvious that the 25 year old car instills more confidence at speed. It never feels nervous or twitchy. Amazing how perfectly shocks and springs can be damped without the use of active suspensions and electronic wizardry.

The steering is a bit heavy in the driveway but it is sublime once underway. The feedback is absolutely spot on perfect, in a way the electric steering in the M car will never be, regardless of the comfort, sport and sport plus settings. The wheel on the M gets harder to turn, but still gives very little in the way of "feel".

There is no rev match in the Porsche, but downshifting is smooth and effortless, never clumsy or in the way like the computer assisted shifts on the M. It does not hold on a hill, but the clutch take up is perfect and easily controlled, even if the floor mounted clutch pedal takes a day or two to get used to. Shifts are butter smooth and mechanical, so intuitive that you almost forget you are shifting.

The car is SO balanced hustling down a windy road and pulls SO smoothly to redline it is almost embarrassing that it is getting there with 25 year old technology. It is really that good.

The 993's brakes are the best I have ever felt. Pedal pressure is required, but stand on them and the seatbelt will get tested.

The car is SOLID.... as if carved out of a single hunk of steel. Zero rattles, Zero buzzes, Zero creaks... 25 years old. Why does my M car squeak, creak, buzz and rattle like it is the older car? The constant buzz that comes from my steering wheel, the instrument cluster and that stupid phone spring in the center arm rest absolutely drives me crazy in the M. How about the creaks from the door windows?

Driving them back to back exposes the many flaws in the M. Things that I thought were great in the M are now mediocre. I hate to say it, but it is true. One car is an extension of you, the other feels like you are driving a video game.... a wildly fast video game, but a digital game none the less.

Sadly the authentic mechanical feel of the past is gone. This drive by wire era has sucked the charisma out of todays cars, even the expensive, really good ones like our M's

I WILL buy the next M when it comes out. Ill hate the digital dash, the automatic tranny and the piped in sound.... but I need something with 4 doors to take the kids to school, soccer and go to the mall in.
Awesome post, but equally sad.

I have only been a passenger in a 993 and 964, and the feel you get from them is totally different than any modern car.

I still want to buy a 991.2 Carrera S one day though, if finances permit.
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Welcome to the club. I just drove mine back from the cottage this morning, 180 miles of bliss. Some twisties but a lot of highway with the cruise set at about 80 MPH, just planted. The car is originally from Texas and has 77,000 miles on it. I'll be hanging onto it for a very long time as both my wife an I love driving the bug.
Beautiful car, love the number plate.
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Okay, two days without photos is unacceptable!
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I for the life of me can not figure out the easiest way to get a photo to post on this site. I have pics on my phone. For some reason, even though I am signed in on the phone it will not let me post on the site.

If I could figure out how to post on the phone, I could probably get some pics to you guys.
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Trying to post photos.....
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