[Psypher]

Hey Guys,
I'm new here picked up my xm3 a couple weeks ago and painfully waiting to get the 1200 miles on so I can get the service complete and really open it up. I have seen some YouTube videos on the Noelle performance tunes and wanted to check if anyone has one. I know they are expensive vs the other options but they apparently have a warranty and won't be an issue with bmw if something goes wrong. So far i have only seen people running jb4 or bm3.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Psypher

Hey Guys,
I'm new here picked up my xm3 a couple weeks ago and painfully waiting to get the 1200 miles on so I can get the service complete and really open it up. I have seen some YouTube videos on the Noelle performance tunes and wanted to check if anyone has one. I know they are expensive vs the other options but they apparently have a warranty and won't be an issue with bmw if something goes wrong. So far i have only seen people running jb4 or bm3.

Is there a Noelle tune for S58??

[Lemongrease]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Is there a Noelle tune for S58??

Yeah, I spoke with them and they were trying so hard to sell me on it. It's the same guys fro Dinan so they definitely know what they're doing and I love the sound of the warranty and that is definitely what you're paying for so really if the money is there, why not!

[r33_RGSport]

Uhm, you should read in F90 M5 forum.
It has been discussed in long and very thoroughly.

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by Lemongrease

Yeah, I spoke with them and they were trying so hard to sell me on it. It's the same guys fro Dinan so they definitely know what they're doing and I love the sound of the warranty and that is definitely what you're paying for so really if the money is there, why not!

There are plenty of guys that used to work for Dinan.
But that doesn't makes them a genius unless if it is Dinan himself.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

Uhm, you should read in F90 M5 forum.
It has been discussed in long and very thoroughly.

yes, their F90 tune seems to be a fraud. Somebody paid the big money, installed the tune, dynoed the car and.... got the stock numbers on the dyno. Lol!

[Psypher]

Seems like the bm3 will be a better option with more versatility and support. Not sure if Noelle would support catless downpipes or other future upgrades. At least with bm3 you can flash the updated tunes as time goes by. I do like the sound of a warranty but not sure if adding others mods would be covered by it if something went wrong. Also 8 think it's around 2k more than bm3.

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by Lemongrease

Yeah, I spoke with them and they were trying so hard to sell me on it. It's the same guys fro Dinan so they definitely know what they're doing and I love the sound of the warranty and that is definitely what you're paying for so really if the money is there, why not!

Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

There are plenty of guys that used to work for Dinan.
But that doesn't makes them a genius unless if it is Dinan himself.

Whoa, lets clarify that statement...

It's a previous Dinan salesman and a legacy Dinan dealer (Noelle/Performing Imports). So to say its the "same guys from Dinan" is a gross generalization.

[pz619]

Originally Posted by Lemongrease

Yeah, I spoke with them and they were trying so hard to sell me on it. It's the same guys fro Dinan so they definitely know what they're doing and I love the sound of the warranty and that is definitely what you're paying for so really if the money is there, why not!

Carbahn is where Steve Dinan ultimately went, not Noelle. Would be extremely cautious around Noelle. Plenty of documentation on the F90 forum along with the S55 section of the F87 forum.

[pz619]

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...678497&page=20

This is interesting. One of the M5 guys just dynoed his car (while also voiding his warranty) for our benefit. Doesn't make anywhere near their claimed power. 572 whp on what should be around 850 crank.

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

Whoa, lets clarify that statement...

It's a previous Dinan salesman and a legacy Dinan dealer (Noelle/Performing Imports). So to say its the "same guys from Dinan" is a gross generalization.

Right, that's where I clarify it.
Anyone that used to work for Dinan can say that they used to work for Dinan and trying to claim some credit.

And you just clarify it even better.
Ex-Dinan salesperson / Ex-dealer (which is a reseller), claimed that they know what they are doing just because they are somewhat related to Dinan back in the day from selling Dinan products.

[FSociety]

Save yourself from headaches, Bootmod3 is the superior choice.

Ability to flash your car with either Mac, Windows or their WiFi Agent (which you can also build one yourself if you prefer DIY option) and connect to your phone's hotspot and do it all via Mobile App

Diagnostic Reader/Clear Codes
Dashboard w/ Auto-Log feature (Pedal threshold etc)

Ability to log the car when you want to see how its running and being able to view the log on Mobile or PC (web for better) is amazing no need to email yourself csv files or open external app.

Has its own Map Section where you can run your choice of Map (Saved) Stock or Tuned.
First time takes 3mins 30seconds, and after that every map switch is about 30-40seconds (easy for Dynos or switching from different fuels if you want).

If you ever want more power than the OTS has to offer which currently are already providing us with 100WHP/100WTQ on STG1 93 and 150whp/150wtq on STG1 E30 (follows the stock tune curve so very smooth torque and high HP top end) there's Custom Tuners in the directory you can reach out to. (Can see Romy's Thread on his Custom Tune and my Stage 1 Thread I'm opening up later today as I think I have achieved the quickest tune only S58 tracked on Dragy Leaderboards).

Last but not least I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of other features it has, is the ability to resale or transfer to your next vehicle this is my favorite reason because I look forward to owning another BMW and knowing Bootmod3 will work on supporting as it is the only BMW Platform that supports almost every Fxx/Gxx series engine

Their FaceBook Group of members is great too, can even search for questions or see other enthusiasts post of their results or general questions etc.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Save yourself from headaches, Bootmod3 is the superior choice.

Ability to flash your car with either Mac, Windows or their WiFi Agent (which you can also build one yourself if you prefer DIY option) and connect to your phone's hotspot and do it all via Mobile App

Diagnostic Reader/Clear Codes
Dashboard w/ Auto-Log feature (Pedal threshold etc)

Ability to log the car when you want to see how its running and being able to view the log on Mobile or PC (web for better) is amazing no need to email yourself csv files or open external app.

Has its own Map Section where you can run your choice of Map (Saved) Stock or Tuned.
First time takes 3mins 30seconds, and after that every map switch is about 30-40seconds (easy for Dynos or switching from different fuels if you want).

If you ever want more power than the OTS has to offer which currently are already providing us with 100WHP/100WTQ on STG1 93 and 150whp/150wtq on STG1 E30 (follows the stock tune curve so very smooth torque and high HP top end) there's Custom Tuners in the directory you can reach out to. (Can see Romy's Thread on his Custom Tune and my Stage 1 Thread I'm opening up later today as I think I have achieved the quickest tune only S58 tracked on Dragy Leaderboards).

Last but not least I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of other features it has, is the ability to resale or transfer to your next vehicle this is my favorite reason because I look forward to owning another BMW and knowing Bootmod3 will work on supporting as it is the only BMW Platform that supports almost every Fxx/Gxx series engine

Their FaceBook Group of members is great too, can even search for questions or see other enthusiasts post of their results or general questions etc.

If we only could buy powertrain warranty from Protuningfreaks, this would be the best tune ever...

[Psypher]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Save yourself from headaches, Bootmod3 is the superior choice.

Ability to flash your car with either Mac, Windows or their WiFi Agent (which you can also build one yourself if you prefer DIY option) and connect to your phone's hotspot and do it all via Mobile App

Diagnostic Reader/Clear Codes
Dashboard w/ Auto-Log feature (Pedal threshold etc)

Ability to log the car when you want to see how its running and being able to view the log on Mobile or PC (web for better) is amazing no need to email yourself csv files or open external app.

Has its own Map Section where you can run your choice of Map (Saved) Stock or Tuned.
First time takes 3mins 30seconds, and after that every map switch is about 30-40seconds (easy for Dynos or switching from different fuels if you want).

If you ever want more power than the OTS has to offer which currently are already providing us with 100WHP/100WTQ on STG1 93 and 150whp/150wtq on STG1 E30 (follows the stock tune curve so very smooth torque and high HP top end) there's Custom Tuners in the directory you can reach out to. (Can see Romy's Thread on his Custom Tune and my Stage 1 Thread I'm opening up later today as I think I have achieved the quickest tune only S58 tracked on Dragy Leaderboards).

Last but not least I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of other features it has, is the ability to resale or transfer to your next vehicle this is my favorite reason because I look forward to owning another BMW and knowing Bootmod3 will work on supporting as it is the only BMW Platform that supports almost every Fxx/Gxx series engine

Their FaceBook Group of members is great too, can even search for questions or see other enthusiasts post of their results or general questions etc.

I plan on getting this set up soon with a catless downpipe. Do you know if you can flash back to stock when taking the vehicle into a dealer for maintainence and keep the check engine light off for not running cats? Just trying to figure out the best way to get oil changes etc at the dealer without voiding the warranty.

[Lemongrease]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

Whoa, lets clarify that statement...

It's a previous Dinan salesman and a legacy Dinan dealer (Noelle/Performing Imports). So to say its the "same guys from Dinan" is a gross generalization.

Sorry, bud. Just relaying what was said to me. "We are the same guys from Dinan" is what I was told. Maybe have a little chat with the shit-head, obviously he was trying to make a sale and would say whatever appeased the client lol

[Lemongrease]

Originally Posted by Psypher

I plan on getting this set up soon with a catless downpipe. Do you know if you can flash back to stock when taking the vehicle into a dealer for maintainence and keep the check engine light off for not running cats? Just trying to figure out the best way to get oil changes etc at the dealer without voiding the warranty.

for me, it, looks like i'll be going with BM3

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by Lemongrease

Sorry, bud. Just relaying what was said to me. "We are the same guys from Dinan" is what I was told. Maybe have a little chat with the shit-head, obviously he was trying to make a sale and would say whatever appeased the client lol

No worries. Just didn't want that statement to all of a sudden become a "fact" amongst the forums / socialsphere is all as it's a stretch of sliver of truth at absolute best.

[01001010 01001011]

I wanted to give adequate time for the parties to correct their statements on this forum, but they have chosen not to after being formally asked. The most important part was Dinan get caught up on their payments to Noelle before this clarification was posted. Now that they no longer have an outstanding balance, here is more than a sliver of truth.

The facts regarding the person referred to as “a previous Dinan salesman” is purposely false and intentionally minimizes the person’s position, contribution, and relation to the company. This person referenced held the official position of Dealer Program Manager with up to 5 actual salesmen working under his direction. This person built and managed the entire Dinan Dealer distribution network starting in 1997 until 2005 making Dinan the largest, most profitable BMW tuner in North America, and during that time was the highest paid employee at Dinan according to Steve Dinan. He then returned to Dinan 2011-2013 when personally called upon by Steve Dinan to rejoin the company to increase profitability, improve dealer relations, and to aid in selling the company. Dinan was successfully sold in June 2013. This manager resigned for a second and final time once he learned that Dinan’s new piggy-back units were going to be sold directly to consumers on-line circumventing the dealer network. The dealers in the network were responsible for Dinan’s huge success, it’s extremely unfortunate how they get treated.

The facts regarding the statement “legacy Dinan dealer (Noelle / Performing Imports)”. Noelle / Performing Imports was not just an authorized dealer for Dinan, Noelle / Performing Imports provided their BMW flash software to Dinan to sell under the Dinan brand. Without Noelle / Performing Imports, Dinan would have been in dire straits with the 2008 economic crash with no software to sell. This “legacy Dinan dealer” is also an accredited Engineer with PHDs from Germany, not a claimed self-taught engineer without credentials.

Be aware of who’s product you think you’re purchasing, a great deal of it is private label or pirated. The very best performance tunes are flash tunes and there is a limited number of real engineers in the world with the proper equipment and talent capable of doing it successfully. Is it just a coincidence that Dinan and other “tuners” have similar looking piggy-back units for sale now? Is it now just a matter of who’s name you like or who you think tricks the engine sensors best? Do it right or don’t do it at all.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by Psypher

I plan on getting this set up soon with a catless downpipe. Do you know if you can flash back to stock when taking the vehicle into a dealer for maintainence and keep the check engine light off for not running cats? Just trying to figure out the best way to get oil changes etc at the dealer without voiding the warranty.

BMW can see all these tunes now, flashed back or not, warantee out the window, good luck.

[suby01]

Originally Posted by Psypher

I plan on getting this set up soon with a catless downpipe. Do you know if you can flash back to stock when taking the vehicle into a dealer for maintainence and keep the check engine light off for not running cats? Just trying to figure out the best way to get oil changes etc at the dealer without voiding the warranty.

That option does not exist...

[thestimp]

Originally Posted by suby01

That option does not exist...

Yet, bootmod3 just got a g80 to tear apart and crack. Hopefully by summer we have a beta for 22's.

[suby01]

Originally Posted by thestimp

Yet, bootmod3 just got a g80 to tear apart and crack. Hopefully by summer we have a beta for 22's.

I guess I was unclear about my response to which part.

My response was that the option does not exist to-
"Just trying to figure out the best way to get oil changes etc at the dealer without voiding the warranty."

You cant tune your car. And not void your warranty.

Yes we all know some service warranty work can still be honored. But the manufacturer will
always find out if a car has been tuned if they really want to check.