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      08-02-2019, 10:43 AM   #45
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Maybe I'm just getting old. I get the fun of comparing fraction-of-second differences in 1/4-mile times and acceleration results. But making buying decisions based on them? Not so much, especially so for SUVs. A tiny fraction will ever see the track. Of those, virtually none will participate in any time trials or wheel-to-wheel racing where those fractional differences may make any difference. Most who are interested in drag racing won't be buying a SUV. The chances of a X3M meeting a GLC63 or an SVR at a stop light and both deciding to race on a public street are fairly low too. All of these are ridiculously fast and have acceleration and handling capabilities that cannot be safely approached on public streets and highways. So when deciding which one to buy, I care much more about daily usability, ride balance between performance and comfort, sound, size, appearance, convenience features, etc. And, of course, cost.

But it is, indeed, impressive that we have SUVs from several manufacturers that will outrun the M3s and M5s of recent generations.
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Maybe I'm just getting old. I get the fun of comparing fraction-of-second differences in 1/4-mile times and acceleration results. But making buying decisions based on them? Not so much, especially so for SUVs. A tiny fraction will ever see the track. Of those, virtually none will participate in any time trials or wheel-to-wheel racing where those fractional differences may make any difference. Most who are interested in drag racing won't be buying a SUV. The chances of a X3M meeting a GLC63 or an SVR at a stop light and both deciding to race on a public street are fairly low too. All of these are ridiculously fast and have acceleration and handling capabilities that cannot be safely approached on public streets and highways. So when deciding which one to buy, I care much more about daily usability, ride balance between performance and comfort, sound, size, appearance, convenience features, etc. And, of course, cost.

But it is, indeed, impressive that we have SUVs from several manufacturers that will outrun the M3s and M5s of recent generations.
I completely agree with you....AND let's just say that situation occurred at that stoplight scenario, I would be watching the other guy blast off without a "race" because that's just moronic. I'll "play with myself" when no one is around thank you.
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Probably not, my money is on this thing falling flat on its face after the 1/4 mile.. anything with 500hp and 4x4 will launch like crazy and taper off hard at higher speeds, especially weighing nearly as much as an F-150
Not to mention the aerodynamics of a brick........
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Guess dad will drop the kids off at regular speed. And then go to his batman mode afterwards with this.

I was thinking of getting the M model but I realize I probally will get into accident always driving fast. lol
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So essentially I will get to watch these entry level SUVs (entry level by size, not quality or options) walk my tuned F80...
Probably not, my money is on this thing falling flat on its face after the 1/4 mile.. anything with 500hp and 4x4 will launch like crazy and taper off hard at higher speeds, especially weighing nearly as much as an F-150
4x4 that's how you call it?
Is that the definition of 4x4... a vehicle that can switch from rwd to 4wd by the flick of a switch?
Sure you call it 4x4
People that drive a truck call it 4x4 dude
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Does anyone have data or know how the X3M compares in the quarter to the X3 M40i? Based on some owner reviews on here I'm curious how much more performance comes with the full M car.
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Does anyone have data or know how the X3M compares in the quarter to the X3 M40i? Based on some owner reviews on here I'm curious how much more performance comes with the full M car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...i-test-review/

That test shows the X3M40i pure stock going 13.0 at 107 mph. IND went 11.8 at 116mph. So acceleration is two different worlds.

Pure M handling will be an even greater performance delta.
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Does anyone have data or know how the X3M compares in the quarter to the X3 M40i?
Only one Qtr mile slip for the F97 Competition version so far to my knowledge (shared by IND), so I compared it to a stock and two tuned G01 M40i models here:

https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=49

And the G01 Quarter mile thread has a bunch of stock and tuned times at:

https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1397744
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Now we have some Idea what the G80 engine can do but pulling 1000lbs less

And that's stock
I'm praying they throw the ///MxDrive system in the G80 and not just awd. Doesn't look likely though
Go check G80 tread, looks like Miko called it
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Now we have some Idea what the G80 engine can do but pulling 1000lbs less

And that's stock
I'm praying they throw the ///MxDrive system in the G80 and not just awd. Doesn't look likely though
I am 100% sure they will use M X-Drive similar to F90M5
You are right again.... just saw your post on G80
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Just did Advanced M School at VIR and had the chance to drive the X3MC around that track (as a demo - it wasn't in the school) it was properly good!
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Guess dad will drop the kids off at regular speed. And then go to his batman mode afterwards with this.

I was thinking of getting the M model but I realize I probally will get into accident always driving fast. lol
The county or your lawyer will earn more when you go M.

I went from a 3-series to an M3 and speak from experience!
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Does anyone have data or know how the X3M compares in the quarter to the X3 M40i? Based on some owner reviews on here I'm curious how much more performance comes with the full M car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...i-test-review/

That test shows the X3M40i pure stock going 13.0 at 107 mph. IND went 11.8 at 116mph. So acceleration is two different worlds.

Pure M handling will be an even greater performance delta.
Thats significant. Quasi-Ms will be hurt.
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Does anyone have data or know how the X3M compares in the quarter to the X3 M40i? Based on some owner reviews on here I'm curious how much more performance comes with the full M car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...i-test-review/

That test shows the X3M40i pure stock going 13.0 at 107 mph. IND went 11.8 at 116mph. So acceleration is two different worlds.

Pure M handling will be an even greater performance delta.
Thats significant. Quasi-Ms will be hurt.
The problem is that you almost never get to DO that...

For daily driving the M40i is still 95% or more the same experience, maybe a softer ride. Biggest loss is the bragging rights.
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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...i-test-review/

That test shows the X3M40i pure stock going 13.0 at 107 mph. IND went 11.8 at 116mph. So acceleration is two different worlds.

Pure M handling will be an even greater performance delta.
Thats significant. Quasi-Ms will be hurt.
The problem is that you almost never get to DO that...

For daily driving the M40i is still 95% or more the same experience, maybe a softer ride. Biggest loss is the bragging rights.
As is the 30i to the M40i

If you can't appreciate the difference you shouldn't be buying a M anyway.

There is so much more to a real M than 1/4 mile and 0-60 times.

And if you own a BMW of any kind most would argue it's for "bragging rights" the same with a big house or jewelry or high end clothing.
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Grocery getter that does a 12 second quarter mile.



Sick... absolutely sick...
Do you know what that means for the m3!!!! oMg
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Just did Advanced M School at VIR and had the chance to drive the X3MC around that track (as a demo - it wasn't in the school) it was properly good!
Thanks for sharing, F82PRETEND. While researching how I could compare IND’s X3MC drag times with ‘40-100 mph and 40-120 mph times to c/w F80 and F87’ as GVN*2FLY wondered [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=42 ], I found your Nordschleife thread [ https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1520295 ] which illustrates your background knowledge on a proper track experience. Thanks for the perspective.
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Thanks for sharing, F82PRETEND. While researching how I could compare IND’s X3MC drag times with ‘40-100 mph and 40-120 mph times to c/w F80 and F87’ as GVN*2FLY wondered [ https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=42 ], I found your Nordschleife thread [ https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1520295 ] which illustrates your background knowledge on a proper track experience. Thanks for the perspective.
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Any vehicle that can switch from rwd to 4wd is a 4x4. The same system is on my F-150 just doesn't have a fancy dancy name like BMW
I liked it better when it was simply an "xi" but suddenly one year with no other changes than a badge xi cars became xdrive.

And now every asshole where I live thinks they need an awd car/suv because we get snow 60-80 days a year... but would never consider snow tires.
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Does anyone have data or know how the X3M compares in the quarter to the X3 M40i? Based on some owner reviews on here I'm curious how much more performance comes with the full M car.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...i-test-review/

That test shows the X3M40i pure stock going 13.0 at 107 mph. IND went 11.8 at 116mph. So acceleration is two different worlds.

Pure M handling will be an even greater performance delta.
Thats significant. Quasi-Ms will be hurt.
The problem is that you almost never get to DO that...

For daily driving the M40i is still 95% or more the same experience, maybe a softer ride. Biggest loss is the bragging rights.
As is the 30i to the M40i

If you can't appreciate the difference you shouldn't be buying a M anyway.

There is so much more to a real M than 1/4 mile and 0-60 times.

And if you own a BMW of any kind most would argue it's for "bragging rights" the same with a big house or jewelry or high end clothing.
Not at all, but the holier than though attitude doesn't surprise me. I've owned and driven various M cars. I've been to the BMW M performance school as well. I can appreciate the difference between a 13 second quarter mile and a 12 second one.

I've also done enough daily driving in an M car to know that it goes mostly wasted day to day. What I'm saying is that, wow, the difference is significant between an M40i and an X3M, but it's mostly beyond the range of daily use. You really have to go to the track to appreciate it fully, because you're not sane if you're doing 100+ mph drags or drifting turns daily on city roads.

In contrast, I can utilize the difference between a 30i and an M40i almost every day, many times a day. Simply having the passing power is worth it to me.

All said, i do appreciate M cars. I was keeping an eye on the X3M but in the end it wasn't different enough from what I have, knowing I can't really have as much fun day to day as I do on the track. If it had a more aggressive body, or the new instrument cluster, in addition to the power, I might have made the jump. If anything the X3M has pushed my sights to the upcoming X5M.

As far as bragging rights, what I mean is that whenever someone in an X3M pulls beside me in my M40i, we will both know they have the superior car, and that's probably one of the most significant differences in their daily drive and mine, assuming they aren't heading to the track.
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Not at all, but the holier than though attitude doesn't surprise me. I've owned and driven various M cars. I've been to the BMW M performance school as well. I can appreciate the difference between a 13 second quarter mile and a 12 second one.

I've also done enough daily driving in an M car to know that it goes mostly wasted day to day. What I'm saying is that, wow, the difference is significant between an M40i and an X3M, but it's mostly beyond the range of daily use. You really have to go to the track to appreciate it fully, because you're not sane if you're doing 100+ mph drags or drifting turns daily on city roads.

In contrast, I can utilize the difference between a 30i and an M40i almost every day, many times a day. Simply having the passing power is worth it to me.

All said, i do appreciate M cars. I was keeping an eye on the X3M but in the end it wasn't different enough from what I have, knowing I can't really have as much fun day to day as I do on the track. If it had a more aggressive body, or the new instrument cluster, in addition to the power, I might have made the jump. If anything the X3M has pushed my sights to the upcoming X5M.

As far as bragging rights, what I mean is that whenever someone in an X3M pulls beside me in my M40i, we will both know they have the superior car, and that's probably one of the most significant differences in their daily drive and mine, assuming they aren't heading to the track.
Keep in mind that your perspective is fine for you and your environment. But that is not universal to all.

I rarely drive in the city. Very rarely.

My environment allows +130mph blasts multiple times every month.

It’s great that we have options for for everyone’s goals.
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I rarely drive in the city. Very rarely.

My environment allows +130mph blasts multiple times every month.

It’s great that we have options for for everyone’s goals.
Hey are you on the F90 FB Group? want to share some videos of my STG2 F90
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