[MarinoB]

Canada gets carbon fiber exterior package but US doesn't?

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by W///

Sure, in regular traffic, I agree. I just think that you're not going to be slowed down by cobblestone in cars that don't even clear the pot holes.

You really think that on an more open (normal) road condition, you couldn't make up 2 minutes?

Like I said, I don't disagree with you when you're stuck in bumper to bumper traffic. But TGT is just fluff/entertainment.

My daily is a 335, so not a slow car by any means, yet I sit in the same RT 80 traffic as everyone else. If it were 2 AM - yes, you could make up the time, but that's not real world. 8:30 AM on a Monday is, and that means traffic, at least in my neck of the woods.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by MarinoB

Canada gets carbon fiber exterior package but US doesn't?

The press release said it will come in August IIRC to the US (but not that confident). So the amended sheet will likely have it. If not it may be an M Performance Parts upgrade instead. But agreed, odd.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by kozzi

IMO, there is no doubt the new M3 will cost more than the X3M.

Ready to order together?

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Ready to order together?

With all the information that is out, I am thinking late 2019 early 2020. Where are you?

decisions, decisions... lol

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by kozzi

With all the information that is out, I am thinking late 2019 early 2020. Where are you?

decisions, decisions... lol

Same lol

[sdshah]

Originally Posted by SoManyBlueCars

You know, they just did a test on the grand tour, with the Aston, Bentley and M850, against some ancient Renault that barely ran. The concept was simple - in real world conditions, those amazing cars were no faster that the old Renault because of traffic and pedestrians and lights, etc.

I mention that because no one ever NEEDS the speed. We want the speed. But how much speed do we need?

On a track, if you're a good driver, you may notice the weight difference slightly, and it MIGHT gain you a tenth of a second. But then, why buy a car that's so high off the ground, with so much space and a hatch. It seems silly to embrace the practicality of the car, then shun a feature based on weight reduction.

All your fancy calculations mean nothing to me because you're talking about how a car feels at the limit - which is very high in both my M3 and an X3M - and not how a car feels on a road, where these will live 99% of the time. And since a good driver in an X3 can beat a bad driver in an M3, that 50 pound difference just seems even more trivial.

And lastly, if you've driven An X5M on the track (I have at the performance center) you'd know they are absolutely amazing cars. But all the fancy electronics and wide tires cannot hide the fact that you are asking over 2 tones of metal to move around a track. Stepping firmly on the gas causes the nose to point to the sky.

Least you think I limit this criticism to X guys - I make fun of M3 guys too, when they say the car handles "so much better"

Lol bro. You are arguing with a bunch of bmw forum twats that think they are cool cause they tracked a X1. Let it go you'll never be able to be logical with them.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by kozzi

IMO, there is no doubt the new M3 will cost more than the X3M.

By about how much you think?

[RowanBuds]

Can anyone confirm I'm reading the guide correct and Drivers Assist Professional (with Traffic Jam Assist) is NOT available on the X3/4M's?

I'm only seeing 'Drivers Assist Plus', including 'ACC Stop&Go + Active Driving Assistant' and 'Extended Collission Mitigation'. On the new X5's that's the lower package, with "professional" giving the Traffic Jam Assist, which is an explicitly listed feature. Maybe I'm just missing it.

That's the dealbreaker for me if so. I know seems minute, but the household justification I'm playing on for my next SUV spending is 'it'll drive itself in traffic for me'.

[Autostrada66]

I have been a BMW owner since 2000 and have gone through many models over the years. Last year my wife and I were 99% sure we were going to buy an X3 for her.

My wife loves BMWs as well. We were going to order the X3 M40i. However, before we got to the BMW dealership, I decided to stop by Audi to check out the SQ5. We drove the SQ5 and loved everything about it. The Audi sales guy could not have been nicer and more willing to work with us on price. In fact, they offered us a deal that was better than I could have dared to ask for. Anything I threw at them, they said yes to. We still said no because we were sure we were going to get the X3.

We got to the BMW dealership and drove a new BMW X3 M40. The only good thing I could say about the X3 was that it had a great engine, but so did the Audi with comparable power with the Audi having slightly worse acceleration due to the way Audi programs the ZF transmission. It didn't take more than a minute into the test drive that both my wife and I were 100% sure that we were going back to get the Audi SQ5. Everything about the Audi was a class above the BMW. The fit and finish don't even compare. The suspension was like crap in the X3 compared to the Audi. The X3 had an absolutely horrible suspension that made the car hop and feel every imperfection in the road. I discovered that the X3 drives like crap unless you have the optional adaptive dampers.

A year later, I can tell you all that the Audi was a grand slam. Maybe the X3 is more sporty, but once we drove them both, the Audi was way way better. It drove better. It sounded better. It looked better. It had way better fit and finish and materials. I say this as an M2 owner and soon to be M2 comp owner. I am as biased towards BMW as you can be. I would never pay what they are asking for the X3M. I would much rather look at a comparably priced X5. So, my only advice is to check out the competition as you may be blown away at how much better they can be.

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by Autostrada66

I have been a BMW owner since 2000 and have gone through many models over the years. Last year my wife and I were 99% sure we were going to buy an X3 for her.

My wife loves BMWs as well. We were going to order the X3 M40i. However, before we got to the BMW dealership, I decided to stop by Audi to check out the SQ5. We drove the SQ5 and loved everything about it. The Audi sales guy could not have been nicer and more willing to work with us on price. In fact, they offered us a deal that was better than I could have dared to ask for. Anything I threw at them, they said yes to. We still said no because we were sure we were going to get the X3.

We got to the BMW dealership and drove a new BMW X3 M40. The only good thing I could say about the X3 was that it had a great engine, but so did the Audi with comparable power with the Audi having slightly worse acceleration due to the way Audi programs the ZF transmission. It didn't take more than a minute into the test drive that both my wife and I were 100% sure that we were going back to get the Audi SQ5. Everything about the Audi was a class above the BMW. The fit and finish don't even compare. The suspension was like crap in the X3 compared to the Audi. The X3 had an absolutely horrible suspension that made the car hop and feel every imperfection in the road. I discovered that the X3 drives like crap unless you have the optional adaptive dampers.

A year later, I can tell you all that the Audi was a grand slam. Maybe the X3 is more sporty, but once we drove them both, the Audi was way way better. It drove better. It sounded better. It looked better. It had way better fit and finish and materials. I say this as an M2 owner and soon to be M2 comp owner. I am as biased towards BMW as you can be. I would never pay what they are asking for the X3M. I would much rather look at a comparably priced X5. So, my only advice is to check out the competition as you may be blown away at how much better they can be.

I have an M3 and '18 SQ5 and I'm looking forward to Audi lease running out. The X3M will replace the M3 and the SQ5 will get downgraded to a smaller vehicle for the wife next year.

The Audi looks and feels great but does not drive well. Numb steering is such a huge understatement. Throttle, turbo, and transmission mapping are a joke. It's sad that short test drives don't always elucidate these things. The high point though is the sport air suspension could not possibly be any better. It's the most comfortable suspension I've ever experienced while still being very sporty.

I cross shopped both the M40i and SQ5 but the bimmer wasn't available for test drives yet and the Audi leased for $100/mo cheaper so went that direction. Different strokes for different folks ya know as I'm excited to have a full M version of a mid size SUV and likely won't look back at the Audi.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by RowanBuds

Can anyone confirm I'm reading the guide correct and Drivers Assist Professional (with Traffic Jam Assist) is NOT available on the X3/4M's?

I'm only seeing 'Drivers Assist Plus', including 'ACC Stop&Go + Active Driving Assistant' and 'Extended Collission Mitigation'. On the new X5's that's the lower package, with "professional" giving the Traffic Jam Assist, which is an explicitly listed feature. Maybe I'm just missing it.

That's the dealbreaker for me if so. I know seems minute, but the household justification I'm playing on for my next SUV spending is 'it'll drive itself in traffic for me'.

Isn't that an ID7 feature? If so maybe as of August? But not sure.

[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by Autostrada66

I have been a BMW owner since 2000 and have gone through many models over the years. Last year my wife and I were 99% sure we were going to buy an X3 for her.

My wife loves BMWs as well. We were going to order the X3 M40i. However, before we got to the BMW dealership, I decided to stop by Audi to check out the SQ5. We drove the SQ5 and loved everything about it. The Audi sales guy could not have been nicer and more willing to work with us on price. In fact, they offered us a deal that was better than I could have dared to ask for. Anything I threw at them, they said yes to. We still said no because we were sure we were going to get the X3.

We got to the BMW dealership and drove a new BMW X3 M40. The only good thing I could say about the X3 was that it had a great engine, but so did the Audi with comparable power with the Audi having slightly worse acceleration due to the way Audi programs the ZF transmission. It didn't take more than a minute into the test drive that both my wife and I were 100% sure that we were going back to get the Audi SQ5. Everything about the Audi was a class above the BMW. The fit and finish don't even compare. The suspension was like crap in the X3 compared to the Audi. The X3 had an absolutely horrible suspension that made the car hop and feel every imperfection in the road. I discovered that the X3 drives like crap unless you have the optional adaptive dampers.

A year later, I can tell you all that the Audi was a grand slam. Maybe the X3 is more sporty, but once we drove them both, the Audi was way way better. It drove better. It sounded better. It looked better. It had way better fit and finish and materials. I say this as an M2 owner and soon to be M2 comp owner. I am as biased towards BMW as you can be. I would never pay what they are asking for the X3M. I would much rather look at a comparably priced X5. So, my only advice is to check out the competition as you may be blown away at how much better they can be.

glad u like ur SQ5. enjoy ur VW and fake exhaust tips

[RaslDasl]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Corrected. 2 months ago my dealer got stuck with a X5 Sunstone that a customer ordered that had no idea it didn’t have ACC. I actually brought it up to my dealers attention when they mentioned they had this one coming in. They looked puzzled and had to tell the customer that ordered it. The customer refused it.

Reflections off the hood messing up cameras behind the windshield? That's pretty nuts.

[ScottyRyan2019]

Maybe I missed it, but does anyone have a pic of the X3M with the stock 20 inch wheels? It seems all of the pics I have found so far are showing the 21 inch wheels.

In looking at the order guide, they list the stock wheels as a 20 inch double-spoke bi-color orbit grey wheel, style 764M. It kind of looks somewhat like a larger version of the stock 19 inch X3 M40i wheel.... Not nearly as sexy as the M40i's 20 inch wheel, nor the 21 inch ones from the M40i or X3M.

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

By about how much you think?

Notice the date of this post. A good price comparison is the X3 M40i and the M340i. Numbers may be a bit low when the G80 finally comes to market.

https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=84

[ando]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

Maybe I missed it, but does anyone have a pic of the X3M with the stock 20 inch wheels? It seems all of the pics I have found so far are showing the 21 inch wheels.

In looking at the order guide, they list the stock wheels as a 20 inch double-spoke bi-color orbit grey wheel, style 764M. It kind of looks somewhat like a larger version of the stock 19 inch X3 M40i wheel.... Not nearly as sexy as the M40i's 20 inch wheel, nor the 21 inch ones from the M40i or X3M.

Here's my build with 20" wheels

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by ShawnPaul

I still take issue with a 6 foot tall, 4000lbs "Motorsport" vehicle. All the SUVs should have kept the IS tag like the x5 4.8IS back in the day. I can't get by the branding; it leans towards accountants trying to cash in the credit from previous management and engineers that made something special. They may well be good vehicles, but the drive to put as many m badges on anything as possible is killing me and hint towards no real value anymore. Bmw is even going to start making vehicles with Benz too... all is lost.

Like it or not, this ship has sailed a long time ago. For those that feel this negative about how a company markets or produces their products...it's time to pick up your chips and move on. Besides, have you seen the new Porsche Cayenne Coupe? How about some of the other high-performance SUV/SAV models from other companies? Times have changed. They will change again.

[Frank_NJ]

I went with the following

X3 M Competition

Donington Grey
Full Leather Merino/Alcantara
Driver Assistance Plus
Executive Package
Ventilated Seats

MSRP $84,395
Purchase $75,600

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by Frank_NJ

I went with the following

X3 M Competition

Donington Grey
Full Leather Merino/Alcantara
Driver Assistance Plus
Executive Package
Ventilated Seats

MSRP $84,395
Purchase $75,600

Just like that 10% off? Please explain the magic method!

[SANK_CH]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

Maybe I missed it, but does anyone have a pic of the X3M with the stock 20 inch wheels? It seems all of the pics I have found so far are showing the 21 inch wheels.

here you go, on the german motor-talk.de there are 2 pics of the X4MC in white with the 20" wheels. Just those are all black. but it gives you an idea.

https://www.motor-talk.de/forum/echt...13.html?page=1 you just need to scroll to the bottom of the page.

[ScottyRyan2019]

Thanks to kpzzi and SANK_CH