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      04-09-2021, 06:02 PM   #1
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As it became time to turn in my M3cs, I knew right off the bat that the X3M would be on the short list. However, after running through a gamut of test drives (SQ5, GLA45, X5M50, Macan S), the one other car I keep coming back to is the Model Y Performance. It has the space that I'm looking for, performance is wild and I think it looks great (subjective I know).

What was a slam dunk for the X3M comp has now become a toss up for me and I'm seriously in anguish over this decision, lol. So now I'm here and wondering if anyone else cross shopped the two and what their thoughts were.

I see that the MYP has been talked about lightly here in the past but I'm really looking for the down and dirty honest opinions

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As it became time to turn in my M3cs, I knew right off the bat that the X3M would be on the short list. However, after running through a gamut of test drives (SQ5, GLA45, X5M50, Macan S), the one other car I keep coming back to is the Model Y Performance. It has the space that I'm looking for, performance is wild and I think it looks great (subjective I know).

What was a slam dunk for the X3M comp has now become a toss up for me and I'm seriously in anguish over this decision, lol. So now I'm here and wondering if anyone else cross shopped the two and what their thoughts were.

I see that the MYP has been talked about lightly here in the past but I'm really looking for the down and dirty honest opinions

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I'm bias, but I don't plan on buying anything electric until 2030.
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Honestly these 2 cars aren't comparable, they are vastly different. If the Model Y appeals to you then that's probably the obvious choice. The characteristics that X3M buyers look for aren't found on the Model Y. I don't mean to come across as crass, just being honest.
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Honestly these 2 cars aren't comparable, they are vastly different. If the Model Y appeals to you then that's probably the obvious choice. The characteristics that X3M buyers look for aren't found on the Model Y. I don't mean to come across as crass, just being honest.
Both are performance SUVs of almost identical size. Outside of the obvious powertrain differences, I don't see how it is a stretch to compare the two. Not to sound crass
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Honestly these 2 cars aren't comparable, they are vastly different. If the Model Y appeals to you then that's probably the obvious choice. The characteristics that X3M buyers look for aren't found on the Model Y. I don't mean to come across as crass, just being honest.
Both are performance SUVs of almost identical size. Outside of the obvious powertrain differences, I don't see how it is a stretch to compare the two. Not to sound crass
The Tesla is a mid range SUV loaded with tech but not much luxury. On paper the numbers are impressive but I wouldn't even begin to characterize it as a "performance" SUV, I guess the Performance model scratches the surface. The X3M interior is a Bentley compared to the Tesla and features raw and visceral power. The X3M encourages you to throw it into a corner while the Tesla...doesn't.

Again I think the Model Y stands on its own merits but to compare it to the X3M is a bit odd.
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      04-09-2021, 09:18 PM   #6
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I've also been cross-shopping the X3M and the Model Y Perf (along with the X5M50i). The MYP is one fun beast. Don't discount it.
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My wife drives a Model 3 and thereís no way Iíd do two electric cars at this point. I love the sound of an internal combustion engine for one, and for two I think the X3M blows the Y out of the water in the looks department. My wife wants a Y next though and it is a great car.
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If electric works for you and you don't mind the appliance setup of the Tesla, it's a serious performance car in every day use. It's laugh out loud capable and fast but I think I would tire of it plus I need more range. I'm not sure if I'll have my X3M 3 years or 7 years at this point but something like Model Y (or BMW equivalent) could potentially replace it.
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There was a good thread here where the poster did a comparison (pretty sure it was a Y) and in summary he felt if you just want strait LINE performance the Y was a good choice but the handling and driving were numb.

I personally donít care for the looks but it has some serious tech and if thatís what you want go for it.

An ///M car isnít for everyone but it sure fits me.
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When I cross shopped the X3M against the Y Performance, the X3M seemed better in every performance catagory to include straight line performance.
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      04-10-2021, 09:28 AM   #13
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I am a huge Tesla fan, but I am not ready to buy one for myself. Two reasons for this:

1). The interiors of all Tesla's, especially the Model 3/Y are really cheaply made. Aside from looking at the screen, it is comparable to an economy car. A BMW, Audi, Merc....they are all vastly superior from a quality, fit and finish perspective.

2). While electric cars are fast as hell from 0-60, it is a very anticlimactic experience for the driver. I drove my cousins Model X with Ludicrous Plus....really fast but never got my heart pumping. There is literally NO visceral experience to electric cars.

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I had a 2019 Model 3 Performance that I bought coming from a 2018 Audi S5 Sportback. That straight line insane performance got me. But that gets old quickly and you start to realize a lot of things are missing from the Tesla. For me the most important was the quality - it was nowhere near the level of an Audi, BMW, Mercedes - hell even a Honda, Mazda or any other mid range car. I found myself constantly buying things to make it better - got door seal kits, matte console wrap, inserts for the armrest compartment, replaced interior lights to blue etc. Things that I would have never thought to do in my prior cars. The other aspect was the lack of sound - it felt so sterile and no fun. I was planning on keeping the tesla for at least 6 years. Well, managed to keep it for 1 and couldn't wait to get my X3M Competition. Don't get me wrong, Tesla is great for anyone who doesn't care about driving feel and doesn't mind the spartan interior, but it was just not for me. Once all the cars are electric we will have much better pool to chose from, plus hopefully the new 3/Y generation will get a redesigned interior and much better fit and finish.
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Not sure why everyone is high on the Model Y Performance straight line speed when the X3MC is faster from a stop. There is a video of a reviewer stripping out parts on the Y to drop weight, with a full charge and his 0-60 and 1/4 mile times were slower than C&Ds X3MC times.

I get the Y Performance from rolling speeds will have that instant torque pull but from a pure performance standpoint, it's slower 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile and has a lower trap speed.
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Not sure why everyone is high on the Model Y Performance straight line speed when the X3MC is faster from a stop. There is a video of a reviewer stripping out parts on the Y to drop weight, with a full charge and his 0-60 and 1/4 mile times were slower than C&Ds X3MC times.

I get the Y Performance from rolling speeds will have that instant torque pull but from a pure performance standpoint, it's slower 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile and has a lower trap speed.
I'd guess 9/10 times you line up a stock x3m it will lose in the straightline to 100. If you want everyday consistent straightline performance it's just better in an EV vs the x3m. The lag from the start even with launch control is rarely overcome on the street. Plus who wants to Rev the engine driving around to get the numbers published in magazines. On the street vs track it wouldn't be a very close race to 80 or so.

Now if you plan to tune and enjoy track days then it's a different story; which I'm guessing is 1/2 the crowd here. I've got an Audi rs3 tuned with e85. Plenty fast, but if they ever get around to adding a ludicrous mode model 3 or Y I'd consider it. Going 130 in the 1/4 mile isn't all that useful in Illinois and just like the x3m, if you don't use launch control it's really not all that quick
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Not sure why everyone is high on the Model Y Performance straight line speed when the X3MC is faster from a stop. There is a video of a reviewer stripping out parts on the Y to drop weight, with a full charge and his 0-60 and 1/4 mile times were slower than C&Ds X3MC times.

I get the Y Performance from rolling speeds will have that instant torque pull but from a pure performance standpoint, it's slower 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile and has a lower trap speed.
Lol. Love or hate the MYP, it smokes the X3M and pretty much every other car out there in a straight line. Not sure where you're getting your info from.
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Not sure why everyone is high on the Model Y Performance straight line speed when the X3MC is faster from a stop. There is a video of a reviewer stripping out parts on the Y to drop weight, with a full charge and his 0-60 and 1/4 mile times were slower than C&Ds X3MC times.

I get the Y Performance from rolling speeds will have that instant torque pull but from a pure performance standpoint, it's slower 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile and has a lower trap speed.
Lol. Love or hate the MYP, it smokes the X3M and pretty much every other car out there in a straight line. Not sure where you're getting your info from.
Where are you getting your info from? Most report around 3.4 0-60 for the fastest Model Y Performance. Car and Driver achieved 3.3 seconds in the X3M Competition. Accounting for variables, they are roughly the same.

And again, straight line speed is ONE factor in a performance car.
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Where are you getting your info from? Most report around 3.4 0-60 for the fastest Model Y Performance. Car and Driver achieved 3.3 seconds in the X3M Competition. Accounting for variables, they are roughly the same.

And again, straight line speed is ONE factor in a performance car.
Thank you. There are numerous post as well that substantiates the X3MC straight line performance. In addition, the Tesla has some varriable to overcome as well such as battery charge.

When I cross shopped the two, I actually moved up to looking at the X because the Y feel short in so many catagories. Unfortunately the X was just outside the upper limit of my budget.
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I'm sorry but this is such a weird comparison.....even in straight line the myp can only do a mid 12 quarter mile, the x3m Comp runs a mid 11 and with a tune is low 11s.....that's a massive difference.

The handling and steering on the x3m is miles better. X3m is a proper luxury car that is well built. The model y has lots of known quality control issues and is not exactly built well in terms of fit and finish.

The only two advantages the myp has is the efficiency...obviously and Tesla's auto pilot.
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I'm sorry but this is such a weird comparison.....even in straight line the myp can only do a mid 12 quarter mile, the x3m Comp runs a mid 11 and with a tune is low 11s.....that's a massive difference.

The handling and steering on the x3m is miles better. X3m is a proper luxury car that is well built. The model y has lots of known quality control issues and is not exactly built well in terms of fit and finish.

The only two advantages the myp has is the efficiency...obviously and Tesla's auto pilot.

With a e30 tune we are running high 10s.
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I'm sorry but this is such a weird comparison.....even in straight line the myp can only do a mid 12 quarter mile, the x3m Comp runs a mid 11 and with a tune is low 11s.....that's a massive difference.

The handling and steering on the x3m is miles better. X3m is a proper luxury car that is well built. The model y has lots of known quality control issues and is not exactly built well in terms of fit and finish.

The only two advantages the myp has is the efficiency...obviously and Tesla's auto pilot.

With a e30 tune we are running high 10s.
Oh yea, I just meant a cheap simple piggy back tune. Especially because you can't flash tune the new 21 x3m yet. But yes, with barely any work, you can break 10s lol
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