[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Ambush eh?

1 cop (usually off to the side of the road ) with radar that radios to a trio of motorcycle cops waiting to pull cars over 1/4 mile down the road and with just enough time for the cop to pull lot and follow and then. light up the wannabe M driver in time to literally follow them into ///M town to write them a ticket. They can be there all week !

Since the 'prescribed route ' usually doesn't change the next time the event occurs, they simply set up shop the next year, perhaps on a different part of the route. .

[troysico]

Originally Posted by JTO24

Impressive numbers so far! It doesn't need 295s but it needs 295s

Wow, Am I seeing things or are they only putting 265 width tires in the rear? If so, they need to take a lesson from AMG and the new GLC63/S - 305's IIRC!

[Timberwolf]

A few random points from a Bimmer lover:

-I heard from an inside source roughly a year ago that the X3M/X4M needed to be dialed back as they were faster than the M3/4. That can be interpreted any which way, but perhaps the narrower tire profiles have something to do with that.

-I'm personally coming from an X5 50i which has the worst stock suspension in any BMW in the world, but the interior is fairly luxurious and pleasant for commuting. I've lowered it and tuned it which helps.
I've owned many M cars and understand the "diluted" comments as I've felt there has been an odd rivalry within BMW ever since the N54 cars came out.

-Having also driven a loaner X3 35i from the dealer I can say I really didn't like the interior of that car which made me second guess the X3M. The dash issue will be hard to cope with coming from an $85k X5. I really hope that it's other elements outshine the interior cheapness.

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by spucktacular

Since the ZF 8 speed started kicking serious ass... the gear shift times are insignificantly slower than a DCT, it can take a shit ton more torque (particularly important for AWD drivetrains) and its behaviour can be drastically adapted with software mapping.

But again, this isn't an argument unique to X3/X4Ms.. the new M5 also has a ZF torque converter...

after driving the f90 and the x3m the ZFAT is the worst part of the equation IMO. low speed downshifts felt like all other ATs I've driven (slushy). only upshifts are comparable to the DCT the rest is well an automatic. otherwise I love the handling and driving dynamics of the F90 but the thing I envy most is the 4WD system. But I think this car is ultimately forgettable as there was nothing special about it. I put it the same boat as the F10 as in a few years no one will be clamoring about it.

As a daily driver I would take the X3M over the F90. In fact I was expecting the X3M to be more hard core but it felt a bit soft. this makes it the perfect commuter.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by BMWModel3

In a blind test they wouldn't be able to differentiate a X3 M40i from X3M from the exterior either

Good point, I honestly wouldn't either and I'm usually a BMW fanatic.. Way too many models and variations to keep up with..

But we was specifically referring to the exhaust sound of the S58 vs S55, as it's a very contentious subject in the M2C section..

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by troysico

Wow, Am I seeing things or are they only putting 265 width tires in the rear? If so, they need to take a lesson from AMG and the new GLC63/S - 305's IIRC!

Exactly! My M2 has 265s... I trust BMW but 305s would make it look wayyy better (better performance maybe not).

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Nicole421

As of today no allocation is allocated in the united states yet... still saying 0.

At the M dealer now. Still zero USA allocations.

[e30nicole]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

At the M dealer now. Still zero USA allocations.

Yup. I work for a dealership... been checking twice a day and nothing 😕

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by Nicole421

Yup. I work for a dealership... been checking twice a day and nothing 😕

That's because they have run out of ///M seat belts, since they made them optional in the G20. 🤣🤣

[e30nicole]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

That's because they have run out of ///M seat belts, since they made them optional in the G20. 🤣🤣

Lol

[EDDYFIG]

I also drove it, I did drive it hard and was impressed.

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by BMWModel3

Oh but ZFAT is the transmission of the gods how dare you criticize! Lest we be flogged for the mere mention of DCT or MT. To the stockades with you heretic!

lol. dont know why all the high praise for the AT. I mean it's good but it's a step back IMO. now I know why some makers still continue to spend $$ to develop DCT to suit their needs even when they can save big bucks with the ubiquitous off the shelf ZFAT. like someone else stated: wonder how much people would get the AT if a DCT was also offered... even for more money.

[535i MSport]

Put it in reverse and turn the engine off. Totally intuitive

[Barathon]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

That's because they have run out of ///M seat belts, since they made them optional in the G20. 🤣🤣

Sadly, that's not a joke. Lack of M Seat Belts created delays...

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by Barathon

Sadly, that's not a joke. Lack of M Seat Belts created delays...

I wasn't joking.

[Barathon]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

I wasn't joking.

I know, that's what I said.

[Ilyam5]

So , you guys are saying that cars were manufactured in April and sat at the plant till June because the belts were missing 2 stripes?

Crazy.

I was thinking - they are trying to buy more time to coincide with July/August 2020 year changeover and get the new tech installed.

But it looks like the x3 M is going to be behind the regular x3 in technology - go figure.

And why June 17? also no 2020 x3 price guide either. (all other models are out)

[Barathon]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

So , you guys are saying that cars were manufactured in April and sat at the plant till June because the belts were missing 2 stripes?

Crazy.

I was thinking - they are trying to buy more time to coincide with July/August 2020 year changeover and get the new tech installed.

But it looks like the x3 M is going to be behind the regular x3 in technology - go figure.

And why June 17? also no 2020 x3 price guide either. (all other models are out)

No, the cars built in April/May were for car shows and demo models, those had the M Seat Belts. There were no customer cars built in those months. Because of the belt shortage, my order sat without a production date until the belts were removed and then it processed through the system and got a July production date. Any cars being made between now and maybe Aug/Sep will not get the M belts.

[ae03440]

New M2 driver here who had the opportunity to drive the x3m comp this afternoon at a local bmw m tour. Will need a replacement suv for the wife by year end and I was very excited about driving the x3m as i considered it a strong contender for a replacement.

Great looking exterior (front fascia more aggressive than standard but not much more aggressive overall than a x3 m40i). Interior was nice but a little overwhelming with all the buttons on the center stack. Exhaust was quieter than expected but once warm it opened up some more (aftermarket would fix that). The biggest disappointment to me was the initial turbo lag. Even tried a launch control and again until the power kicked in, it was a little disappointing. Everything else was typical m and the handling was great. Spoke to the rep after the drive and he confirmed the turbo lag and said that the car still was in break in mode (only 1100 miles) and would open up after that. Would love another go later on this year, and Im curious to hear more impressions before I make a decision. Just my .02

[BobsM3Coupe]

Originally Posted by ae03440

New M2 driver here who had the opportunity to drive the x3m comp this afternoon at a local bmw m tour. Will need a replacement suv for the wife by year end and I was very excited about driving the x3m as i considered it a strong contender for a replacement.

Great looking exterior (front fascia more aggressive than standard but not much more aggressive overall than a x3 m40i). Interior was nice but a little overwhelming with all the buttons on the center stack. Exhaust was quieter than expected but once warm it opened up some more (aftermarket would fix that). The biggest disappointment to me was the initial turbo lag. Even tried a launch control and again until the power kicked in, it was a little disappointing. Everything else was typical m and the handling was great. Spoke to the rep after the drive and he confirmed the turbo lag and said that the car still was in break in mode (only 1100 miles) and would open up after that. Would love another go later on this year, and Im curious to hear more impressions before I make a decision. Just my .02

Since the full torque curve starts 1,000 rpm later that the M40i, the lag sounds about right.

[Mtxzptlk]

Originally Posted by ae03440

Interior was nice but a little overwhelming with all the buttons on the center stack.

Exhaust was quieter than expected but once warm it opened up some more (aftermarket would fix that). The biggest disappointment to me was the initial turbo lag.

From the interior pics, the buttons ain't too bad, Have you seen the macan center console? Now that's overwhelming. lol

Good looking out in mention the lag, I'll make sure to take a note of that when I get to do my own test drive of it.

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by ae03440

The biggest disappointment to me was the initial turbo lag. Even tried a launch control and again until the power kicked in, it was a little disappointing. Everything else was typical m and the handling was great. Spoke to the rep after the drive and he confirmed the turbo lag and said that the car still was in break in mode (only 1100 miles) and would open up after that. Would love another go later on this year, and Im curious to hear more impressions before I make a decision. Just my .02

Break-in mode? Lmao. Gotta give it to those reps, though, they're quick on their feet.

Cars with bigger turbos will have more perceived lag than cars with smaller turbos like most every day cars have. That tuning gives the car more linear power up top. That's what you want in a real performance car as it will be more satisfying to rev it out.

Commuter cars typically will have a lot of torque down low and drop off precipitously by redline which makes them feel anemic when you really wring them out.

Without some type of mild hybrid or electric turbo technology, there's no way to get around those aspects of turbos.