[VCP]

Originally Posted by schnell325

😂 but will it tow a GTS? 🤔

[psuibmw]

Originally Posted by Jason

New video:

Is that video working?

[schnell325]

Originally Posted by VCP

😂 but will it tow a GTS? 🤔

I hope so.

[themnmd]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

I don't think that comparison to the Macan is as simple as you make it sound. A similarly optioned GTS is going to run you low $80s and is considerably underpowered and less practical. A similarly optioned Turbo gets you scary close to $100k. Given how loaded these will come for the prices quoted, I think they are very well priced (especially considering the Merc and Jag competitors). Porsche looks great on paper when you are looking at base, but people quickly forget that the base is missing simple things that modern luxury cars should have, like LEDs, keyless entry, AC, and radio (kidding with last two, but no really look at the 911T). Also, and last but it least, lease deals on Porsche's (and even the Mercs) at those higher trim levels are atrocious, whereas BMW ones, even on an M (sans the 19 M5), lease very well. If you are a purchase guy, then that point is irrelevant.

I see this working, just as Merc is by selling their GLC AMGs like crazy even with the tech from 1996.

seriously anyone who hasn't seen the Porsche option list has gotta see it. there many options! you can damn near double the price of the car ! and they are expensive too

[Who's on first]

Originally Posted by schnell325

I hope so.

I am hoping and praying it has the electronic tow hitch like the new X5. This will make it perfect to tow my M2 to the track.

[kozzi]

All IMO of course

Originally Posted by Thescout13

I don't think that comparison to the Macan is as simple as you make it sound. A similarly optioned GTS is going to run you low $80s and is considerably underpowered and less practical. A similarly optioned Turbo gets you scary close to $100k. Given how loaded these will come for the prices quoted, I think they are very well priced (especially considering the Merc and Jag competitors). Porsche looks great on paper when you are looking at base, but people quickly forget that the base is missing simple things that modern luxury cars should have, like LEDs, keyless entry, AC, and radio (kidding with last two, but no really look at the 911T). Also, and last but it least, lease deals on Porsche's (and even the Mercs) at those higher trim levels are atrocious, whereas BMW ones, even on an M (sans the 19 M5), lease very well. If you are a purchase guy, then that point is irrelevant.

I see this working, just as Merc is by selling their GLC AMGs like crazy even with the tech from 1996.

If cargo capacity is of any value (meaning seating for 5 and luggage etc.), then you can rule out the Macan variants and Stelvio QV. IMO, you hit the nail on the head. The FPace SVR and Merc AMG63(S) are the competitors the X3M/X4M are targeting and they are priced right to compete.

Originally Posted by ///M ARMY

Interesting, wonder if it will hurt sales for the new m3

I think sales of the M3/M4 will be just fine, if not increase (I see folks coming over from Audi for example). Those that would prefer/require an M-xDrive variant that do not need the cargo capacity of an SAV will have that option. It's a smart move for BMW to give customers that option.

Originally Posted by PureModelsOnly

Not the Pure Model

My biggest fear here is that this will only be available for one generation regardless of sales (which would be a big mistake). I'm getting tired of having to wait 6-7 months out of every year when I travel abroad to row my own gears. 5-7 years from now, as the kids flee the nest and my cargo requirements lessen, I would like the option to move into a new M3/M4 manual. Hoping the pure variant is a permanent offering if that makes any sense.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by einscot

the gray and red seats look hideous

glad I am not the only one who thought so, what were they thinking? why not go with more two tone options people actually would order.

so exactly what exterior would the gray/so go with? all the other parts that are black inside just make too much contrast for it to look good

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by kozzi

All IMO of course

If cargo capacity is of any value (meaning seating for 5 and luggage etc.), then you can rule out the Macan variants and Stelvio QV. IMO, you hit the nail on the head. The FPace SVR and Merc AMG63(S) are the competitors the X3M/X4M are targeting and they are priced right to compete.

I think sales of the M3/M4 will be just fine, if not increase (I see folks coming over from Audi for example). Those that would prefer/require an M-xDrive variant that do not need the cargo capacity of an SAV will have that option. It's a smart move for BMW to give customers that option.

My biggest fear here is that this will only be available for one generation regardless of sales (which would be a big mistake). I'm getting tired of having to wait 6-7 months out of every year when I travel abroad to row my own gears. 5-7 years from now, as the kids flee the nest and my cargo requirements lessen, I would like the option to move into a new M3/M4 manual. Hoping the pure variant is a permanent offering if that makes any sense.

In -5-7 years your manual requirements will have to be secondhand.

Vote now with your wallet to delay the inevitable.

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN.

In -5-7 years your manual requirements will have to be secondhand.

Vote now with your wallet to delay the inevitable.

I wish I could but living in NYC, I only have room in the stable for one. With a family of 5, it's not an option.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by kozzi

I wish I could but living in NYC, I only have room in the stable for one. With a family of 5, it's not an option.

Understand man.

Living in the city has it's compromises.

[M2COMP]

Originally Posted by themnmd

seriously anyone who hasn't seen the Porsche option list has gotta see it. there many options! you can damn near double the price of the car ! and they are expensive too

I have Macan turbo. I've got it for 3 years, it's a great and fun vehicle to drive and solid, backseat is spacious enough for adults, yes it's only 400 hp and with Cobb tune you can push it to 470s but it's almost 4-5 year older than X3M. Its new model is going to come out with X3 LCI. (facelift is already out). I like BMW but I guess it will still be chasing Porsche.

[Mako]

Is it just me or is Toronto Red similar to Sakhir Orange but more true red (still hints on that orange side).

[CRtoE92]

Will these be made in Germany instead of NC?

I think i would like to ED one of these

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by M2COMP

I have Macan turbo. I've got it for 3 years, it's a great and fun vehicle to drive and solid, backseat is spacious enough for adults, yes it's only 400 hp and with Cobb tune you can push it to 470s but it's almost 4-5 year older than X3M. Its new model is going to come out with X3 LCI. (facelift is already out). I like BMW but I guess it will still be chasing Porsche.

I don't see how it's chasing Porsche, unless you are saying all SUVs compete against each other. These are very clearly Merc and Jag competitors. Price, options, size - they aren't close, thus, not competitors in my eyes. But I get you.

Also, if you have to tune it to be competitive it's not competitive. But I don't think that's what you meant.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by CRtoE92

Will these be made in Germany instead of NC?

I think i would like to ED one of these

Nope. In SC just like the X5M and X6M. Go to bmwusanews.com it's the third story re Spartanburg

[jlin101]

Curiously, even with optional 21" wheels, the rear tires (265/40)are narrower and higher-profile than those on X3 M40i (275/35).

[VCP]

Originally Posted by Who's on first

I am hoping and praying it has the electronic tow hitch like the new X5. This will make it perfect to tow my M2 to the track.

Yes👍

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by ///M ARMY

Interesting, wonder if it will hurt sales for the new m3

I asked the same question during my last BMW M training at the Ring last October to my trainer, as prior to retirement, was the M lead engineer for the X3M/X4M (he was also in charge of the 1st two X5M/X6M's). Internally, BMW AG doesn't feel so, but with the 2 year M3 gap (F80->G80) and upcoming lease expirations, yes M3 owners will lease a X3M at least in the US, which is heavy on leasing compared to the EU markets.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by MechX3M40i

We get low prices on cars in US mainly because of lower taxes! I don't believe BMW intentionally trying to make less money off us!

The German VAT tax of 21% inflated the prices; pays for EU socialized health care and pension.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by Transfer

I would likely go for glass roof delete. I'm sure it weighs a LOT more than 57 lbs. These things can weigh 100-200 lbs all in.

It's not going to happen for the US market. The X3 M40i has option 402 as standard, which means moonroof is standard for US X3M/X4M. Due to DOT safety testing, if BMW NA has 402 standard for certification, then it can not be deleted. No way around it, unless you import a euro spec roof with 402 deleted and retro yourself.

[sq86]

Originally Posted by Mako

torque max from I6/V6 turbo engines?

I noticed Audi, Porsche, Alfa, and BMW all are at 442/443 torque on their 6 cyl turbos, looks like they hit the limit!

Guess that's one big plus to the V8 (Merc 516 and Jaguar 502 torque).

Might be more of a limitation of the transmissions than anything else. Not sure about the Alfa but Audi and BMW are 8 speeds. Porsche is a 7 speed DCT.

[sq86]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

This is a critical point to those looking to modify. Lower compression means it will take a lot more boost. Add to that the forged internals, man this things going to be a tuners wet dream.

Sounds like a modern day BMW version of the 2JZ. Now if Toyota could get their hands on this for the new Supra