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I understand it's an incredible performance machine and in the sum of all its capabilities is a very high achiever. On the other hand, suggesting it's the "ultimate mountain road carver" seems a bit miscasted for a heavy vehicle with a high center of gravity.
On the other hand, I can imagine how satisfying it must be to push the X3M a bit on free mountain roads! Those are typical the moments you can really enjoy the beast in the M. |
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Love the stable. Thanks for the write up!
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Yeah, 2.5 ton SUV with numb steering and ‘slushbox automatic’ immediately comes to my mind when I think ‘mountain roads carving’. |
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Here is a video link of one of the runs. I’ve had a bit of difficulty getting it to upload in HD so hopefully it looks ok for you guys. Unfortunately the dash cam didn’t save the really good runs I had from the Hillclimb and the Dragon itself.
So here is a run down 28 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cT6...w?usp=drivesdk |
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For real though, as great as the Macan is, as soon as I get back into a sedan I feel so much better. The Macan drives like a car, but at the end of the day it still feels big and sits up high. The driving position I feel most engaged in is nice and low.
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I have better ground clearance, better visibility, more cargo space and I can still whip the vehicle around like it's sports car. A sedan wouldn't change a single thing about how I drive this car other than how much I can stuff inside of it. Looks being subjective and all, I think the X3s is the best looking SUV in the market, and one of the better looking BMWs in production. |
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So, a 992 C2S is on the way I think some of the hate is coming from the 'perfect mountain carving machine'. It most certainly is not, no SUV or even sedan is. But it might be shockingly good while being practical. Imagine how good the G80 will be |
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The Stanman:I purchased a Macan GTS after my 991 was totaled last November and completely agree. It's a remarkable vehicle in so many ways, but I just can't get the same driving experience because the weight and high center of gravity.
So, a 992 C2S is on the way I think some of the hate is coming from the 'perfect mountain carving machine'. It most certainly is not, no SUV or even sedan is. But it might be shockingly good while being practical. Imagine how good the G80 will be I hope the 992 C2S is a manual. |
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It's still a damn SUV, no thanks I'll keep my e92 m3 for the twisties!
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Since I don't yet own an X3M or having driven one, I can't directly comment on it but I can throw my 2 cents in.
Many years ago I took my '11 X5 50i to the Tail of the Dragon. I was able to keep up with our groups E92 M3s and E46 M3s, and outran an E39 M5! Being a public road, no one was at their car's limits and in the end it came down to driver skill and how hard you wanted to push the car on a public road. The X3M should handily out-perform that X5 50i and feel better at that. Second, At the BMW Performance Center autocross, match these times (84 seconds, 86,88,90) with the following cars, my stock M2C, M2C with camber plates and R comps, a stripped, caged, track ready e36 M3, or a bone stock X4M? Believe it or not, I witnessed Mike Renner do an 84 second lap in the bone stock X4M with 3 passengers. Beating the next best time of the day by > 2 seconds over fully tracked prepped cars with experienced drivers.
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You are absolutely right. There is indeed a safe limit to which someone can drive on roads like the Tail of the Dragon and surrounding areas, Since they are not an wide open roadcourse obviously. My entire sentiment is that the X3M was able to reach that safe limit easily, and be just as fun while doing it and hauling cargo! |
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PS - Looking good, btw.. |
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I have driven the Blue Ridge Parkway and the Cherohola Skyway extensively, they are great for stretching the legs of a fast and fun car, but they are not nearly as technical as the Tail of the Dragon or the immediate surrounding roads. The tail of the Dragon for example will have 10 times as many corners as a similar length of the Parkway or Skyway. It's a completely different kind of experience. I implore you, if you ever get the chance, please plan a week and bring your M2 down the to the Tail of the Dragon. I suggest to drive it during the week if you want to have more room to play. You will not regret it! Last edited by GrandMasterKhan; 08-07-2020 at 11:51 AM.. |
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