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      11-08-2019, 09:00 PM   #1
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BE WARNED... was on my way to have winter tires put on last week... no snow although at -7 degrees around a seemingly harmless curve my X4M just kept right on going across highway and 150 ft. Off side through a field and into a boulder and barbed fence.

Slid off road November 1. Estimated date of completed repairs... " end of December!"
Seems as though several German parts are back ordered and won't ship out until 12/12/2019 which puts them
here right about Christmas...

If I'm lucky I may get my car back 4 months after purchase....:
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damn! sorry to hear about what happened to your X4M .
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Glad you are fine. No total ?

Any pics?
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Glad you are OK. The car can be repaired.

This is a cautionary tale to put snow tires earlier than the first cold spell.
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      11-09-2019, 12:20 AM   #5
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Did u hit ice ?
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Would snow tyres really have helped here? Sounds like you hit black ice?
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The only connection between your car and the road is your tires. Don't skimp. And change over to winters a month sooner than you want to...
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The only connection between your car and the road is your tires. Don't skimp. And change over to winters a month sooner than you want to...
Im a first week of December kind of guy
As long as no call for ice , freezing rain or snow...you are good. Always warm your tires up...in my M3 at least it shows tire temps. I can get them in mid 50s to 60 F, I can drive in 30 degree weather in confidence.
But totally agree that the deal to a winter set is invaluable. I can carve snow pretty well in my M3 on a Real good winter tire.
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      11-09-2019, 11:37 AM   #9
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Oh wow that's terrible. Sorry that happened! At sub freezing temps summer tires can turn into hockey pucks with virtually no grip at all even in dry. This sounds extreme though.
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Very sorry to hear this. Last year when taking the Bullitt with Michi PS4 to get the Nokian Hakkas mounted I had a similar scare. It was 15*F but dry roads... and the Mustang slid off into a bean field. No damage, but scared the crap out of me. Summer tires don't do well in the cold, and they simply don't work *at all* when there's snow on the road.

I'm having the Oregon dealer install Hakkas on the X3 when I take delivery in a few weeks.
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In addition to reduced adhesion, summer tires can crack at temperatures below 40 - 45 degree F. That causes permanent damage to summer tires which prevents their safe use even when temperatures warm up.

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Is there a good all-season tire available?

I live in CA but plan to take the car on a road trip to Utah when it arrives in a couple of weeks. I don’t need a permanent summer tire on the car and am happy to just run all-seasons. Any good options?
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Is there a good all-season tire available?

I live in CA but plan to take the car on a road trip to Utah when it arrives in a couple of weeks. I don’t need a permanent summer tire on the car and am happy to just run all-seasons. Any good options?
Tire Rack lists all-season options for the non-Comp X3M, but only dedicated summer and winter tires for the Comp.
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You might see if Michi PS AS/3+ is available in the sizes you need.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Speed+Rated%29
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So BMWNA hasn’t designated an all-season tire for the MC’s at all? That’s a little unusual no?
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So BMWNA hasn’t designated an all-season tire for the MC’s at all? That’s a little unusual no?
Not unusual for BMW. The same situation exists with some other M vehicles, which also have no all-season tire options (e.g., M5). It appears BMW prioritizes warm weather performance for such cars and SUVs, limiting their appeal for potential buyers who live where cold weather makes summer tires unusable for part of the year. While some buyers are willing to exchange between summer and winter tires twice annually, others are not. Similarly, while some buyers don't need their M vehicles to be daily drivers, and can keep them garaged when temps are too low for safe driving on summer tires, others don't have that option.
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      11-15-2019, 05:31 AM   #17
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In addition to reduced adhesion, summer tires can crack at temperatures below 40 - 45 degree F. That causes permanent damage to summer tires which prevents their safe use even when temperatures warm up.
Not common though.

In the UK, most run on summer tyres for the whole year with no tyre issues.
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Not common though.

In the UK, most run on summer tyres for the whole year with no tyre issues.
Agree, never used winter tyres in my life even living way up in Scotland. Even my F10 M5 battled through the snow, bit tricky though. Did not seem to affect the grip once summer arrived.
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Not common though.

In the UK, most run on summer tyres for the whole year with no tyre issues.
It's good to hear you've avoided issues thus far, which may be a function of the specific rubber compounds used in the brand and model tires ("tyres"!) you are using and your specific environment, but it may nonetheless be prudent to remain vigilant for signs of damage and, as temperatures drop, for the possibility of glass transition. The colder it gets, the greater the risk, as exemplified in the first post in this thread.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret...jsp?techid=273

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...82862-5448.pdf

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Living in North Texas I see very little winter but several days around freezing. I have never used anything other than a summer tirwy
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Is there a good all-season tire available?

I live in CA but plan to take the car on a road trip to Utah when it arrives in a couple of weeks. I don’t need a permanent summer tire on the car and am happy to just run all-seasons. Any good options?
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It's good to hear you've avoided issues thus far, which may be a function of the specific rubber compounds used in the brand and model tires ("tyres"!) you are using and your specific environment, but it may nonetheless be prudent to remain vigilant for signs of damage and, as temperatures drop, for the possibility of glass transition. The colder it gets, the greater the risk, as exemplified in the first post in this thread.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret...jsp?techid=273

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...82862-5448.pdf
Tyres are a odd thing in the UK, people will make sure they have the best stickiest rubber for the summer over here and brag about their PS4S tyres but then when it comes to winter they flip 180 degrees and say nah don't need them, when the complete reverse is true they don't need the PS4S but do need the winters/all seasons.

Yet every time it snows or is icy we have utter chaos on the roads 2" of snow is enough to bring any UK town or city to a grinding halt, anything more an we have entire motorways shut people trapped on them for 24 hours etc...yet the myth persists that we don't need to run them.

(someone from the UK will be along in a minute to say they drive about on 6" of snow in an M car on summers with zero issues)
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