[Max Well]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Interesting, as are the times for;

M3 competition package 1:36.85
C63S Sedan 1:36.95
E63S 1:35.90

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

There was no drama with the Mercedes at all. I wonder how the BMW would've looked with the 295s that the AMG had on the rear? A few people have went to 265F and 295R on the X3 and said it made a big difference.

Remarkable how Mnfrs have been able to develop the performance and handling capabilities of this vehicle class. There's some pretty good company in these times as '535i MSport' suggests. I wonder the time he'd have run if he had access to one of our Member's X3MCs with tune, 265F/295R, and lowered stance as well.

[AlexFL]

Merc definitely looked more grippy in this video, but we don’t know the track/tire temperatures in both runs to really make any meaningful conclusions.

[werdn]

That SVR sounds so good

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by werdn

That SVR sounds so good

Yes! The Jag 5.0 SC V8 is a screamer! Shame it will soon likely be replaced with the N63 engine.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Yes! The Jag 5.0 SC V8 is a screamer! Shame it will soon likely be replaced with the N63 engine.

Lol! N63 is ten times better than the archaic supercharged powertrash from the 90s they are currently running on.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Lol! N63 is ten times better than the archaic supercharged powertrash from the 90s they are currently running on.

The Jag has more character and feels more raw though, I don't care if the N63 will make it any faster, the Jag's engine is way more to my liking.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by White340

Is the X3MC any stiffer than the F80 Comp with 20" wheels?

Not sure if I am getting old or not but after putting my 666m wheels back on over the weekend it feels like it is stiffer than it was last year. We are having our first baby next month and my wife was saying we should drive her car when taking the baby around. 🤨

[QUOTE=White340;26020452]Is the X3MC any stiffer than the F80 Comp with 20" wheels?

Not sure if I am getting old or not but after putting my 666m wheels back on over the weekend it feels like it is stiffer than it was last year. We are having our first baby next month and my wife was saying we should drive her car when taking the baby around. 🤨[/QUOTE

On my f80

It's the number 1 reason I have...

18 inch rims

Continental DWS 06 high performance all seasons

32 psi

My wife will actually fall asleep any drive after 8pm longer than 1 hour

[Ibiza]

[QUOTE=535i MSport;26020218
Interesting, as are the times for;

M3 competition package 1:36.85
C63S Sedan 1:36.95
E63S 1:35.90[/QUOTE]

My personal best this past fall with the BMW Driving Experience was 1:52.79 in a M4 comp at Schaenring, but due to the other drivers in my group, was told to slow it down when I was the lead car with the instructor following. Track has lots of grip as it's a moto track.

PS tracking cars is not my full time day job🤷🏻*♂️

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

The Jag has more character and feels more raw though, I don't care if the N63 will make it any faster, the Jag's engine is way more to my liking.

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

The Jag has more character and feels more raw though, I don't care if the N63 will make it any faster, the Jag's engine is way more to my liking.

I have a childhood friend who is was a master tech.
MB, Jag, BMW, Infinite. Had over $35k in tools

Now he's that guy they call on the phone when the young snapper techs can't figure how to diagnose or fix a car.

Forgive me RangeRover owners.

He said and I quote;
"The biggest piece of crap rolling"

Not unusual to replace engines in them under warranty

He tells me some crazy arse stories sometimes

Funny My childhood friend is making a decision sometimes on who gets a new engine or not.

Based on a ton of variables of course

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by 2011ninja

I have a childhood friend who is was a master tech.
MB, Jag, BMW, Infinite. Had over $35k in tools

Now he's that guy they call on the phone when the young snapper techs can't figure how to diagnose or fix a car.

Forgive me RangeRover owners.

He said and I quote;
"The biggest piece of crap rolling"

Not unusual to replace engines in them under warranty

He tells me some crazy arse stories sometimes

Funny My childhood friend is making a decision sometimes on who gets a new engine or not.

Based on a ton of variables of course

I'm not saying I'd buy one tomorrow, I don't like any of these high performance SUV's anyways, I'm just saying I like the Jag engine, and BMW V8's have their fair share of troubles as well and I personally steer clear of them too, if we all cared so much about reliability we'd all be buying Lexus', another brand that makes a V8 I like more than the N63.

That's the great thing about opinions, everyone has their own and can like some things better than others. I like the Jag engine, others like the BMW, and some may prefer another brand!

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

I'm not saying I'd buy one tomorrow, I don't like any of these high performance SUV's anyways, I'm just saying I like the Jag engine, and BMW V8's have their fair share of troubles as well and I personally steer clear of them too, if we all cared so much about reliability we'd all be buying Lexus'.

That's the great thing about opinions, everyone has their own!

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

The Jag has more character and feels more raw though, I don't care if the N63 will make it any faster, the Jag's engine is way more to my liking.

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

I'm not saying I'd buy one tomorrow, I don't like any of these high performance SUV's anyways, I'm just saying I like the Jag engine, and BMW V8's have their fair share of troubles as well and I personally steer clear of them too, if we all cared so much about reliability we'd all be buying Lexus'.

That's the great thing about opinions, everyone has their own!

Was not suggesting you'd buy one... just sharing.

It was a recent conversation with my friend.

Agreed on lexsus comment

I'm not interested in SUV's

Only to rent to move my son to and from college.

Dodge caravan for the win😆

Funny...

I just finished reading this book;

"Talking to Strangers"

It's about misunderstandings; it was a good read and a bit creepy

[MRichmond]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

The Jag has more character and feels more raw though, I don't care if the N63 will make it any faster, the Jag's engine is way more to my liking.

I am six months into ownership of the Jag SVR and it is phenomenal. The sound is fantastic. The GLC is the only one that comes remotely close, and the aftermarket exhaust options (at $5,000-$8,000) for the X3M will not level that part of the playing field.

[cheezsandwiches]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

I (finally) picked my X3MC up yesterday, and I really don't understand how some people think it's uncomfortable. I even threw it in Sport Plus on a not-so-nice road, and while I could feel road imperfections through the wheel finally, the ride was still comfortable. There's very little body roll, so it's certainly stiff laterally, but going over bumps, everyone I had in the car said it was comfortable.

Give that a few months and you'll have the same gripes everyone else does that uses it as a daily driver. My x4mc ride on anything other than comfort becomes annoying, especially here in California highways.

[AlexFL]

Both cars, the X3M and the Jag, are phenomenal. Jag clearly wins the sound contest. What a nice orgasmic sound! BMW humbly wins the price, performance, handling, technology, and, last but not least, moddability contest.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by cheezsandwiches

Give that a few months and you'll have the same gripes everyone else does that uses it as a daily driver. My x4mc ride on anything other than comfort becomes annoying, especially here in California highways.

Isn’t it a tad naive to buy an M car and think it will be a comfy daily driver? Besides, almost nobody here complains about the ride quality. And lastly, there is a relatively easy fix for your problems. It’s called MSS Urban springs.

[MRichmond]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Both cars, the X3M and the Jag, are phenomenal. Jag clearly wins the sound contest. What a nice orgasmic sound! BMW humbly wins the price, performance, handling, technology, and, last but not least, moddability contest.

Don’t know about the price — when you add what you are about to drop on the exhaust, plus the springs and labor to install, you likely will be above the cost of a comparably equipped Jag. But the difference in the +/- $90k is not decisive. Neither is the performance or handling difference unless the owner plans to track the car and do so at its limit or take it to a drag strip. The purchasing decision comes down to personal preference, as it should with all these fine choices. For me, the Jag’s ride quality, linear power delivery, sound, exterior and interior appearance, and handling in daily and spirited driving struck the best balance. I have no quarrel with anyone choosing the X3M, GLC, Alfa, or Macan if the combination those cars offer suit better.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by MRichmond

The purchasing decision comes down to personal preference, as it should with all these done choices.

Yep, agree.

[Vettethret]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Both cars, the X3M and the Jag, are phenomenal. Jag clearly wins the sound contest. What a nice orgasmic sound! BMW humbly wins the price, performance, handling, technology, and, last but not least, moddability contest.

I 2nd this. I own a 2020 F Type, the NAV/Interior is very similar to the SVR. To me it's a very rudimentary interior with basic tech. I drove and almost bought a White/Red 2020 SVR before my X4MC. There is absolutley no comparison of Interior Quality, Tech or Handling between the two. The only thing the Jag had on the BMW is sound, obviously no comparison to a V8. To me, the SVR felt like the Grand Chrokee Track Hawk, a 10 year old design that needs a major refreshing. Still a nice car, not worth the 86k price tag in my opinion.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by Jason60051

Great video! Props to the bmw despite being down 2 cylinders.

The sound those two cylinders make sure is awesome though .. not going to lie about that one. I'd probably go AMG just for the sound TBH. Both are great though.

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by cheezsandwiches

Give that a few months and you'll have the same gripes everyone else does that uses it as a daily driver. My x4mc ride on anything other than comfort becomes annoying, especially here in California highways.

I hope not. I mean, I daily drove my F80 M3 when I had it, and it was fine. I don't anticipate this being any different.

[Max Well]

Originally Posted by cheezsandwiches

Give that a few months and you'll have the same gripes everyone else does that uses it as a daily driver. My x4mc ride on anything other than comfort becomes annoying, especially here in California highways.

No, not everyone. I'm 7 months into using my X3MC as a DD and my wife 4 months with her X3MC. Wouldn't consider any other vehicle. Performance, handling, ride, tech, and utility - all great for our needs.

Don't recall the exact thread, but it was pointed out some months back that many sharing your thoughts seem to come from a background of more luxurious rides which may understandably skew the perception. Notice you list the M6 Grand Coupe as one of your vehicles, so would make sense if that is a reference point for you. The X3M/X4M make no claims to be comfortable rides, but they do, IMHO, live up to the M standard for which they were designed.

[AlexFL]

Here is BMWBLOG’s digest of this video:
https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/04/08/v...#disqus_thread