[Alias1431]

Agreed! Inquiring minds want to know!

[mattssi]

I hear ya! This is annoying/embarrassing. BMW is really behind. Can't even get a decent AFTERMARKET solution.

[12v_dub]

That's the biggest feature I missed when I had few Ford trucks, is to be able to start a vehicle thru a remote to cool off or warm up during winter.

[335idrive]

Originally Posted by 12v_dub

That's the biggest feature I missed when I had few Ford trucks, is to be able to start a vehicle thru a remote to cool off or warm up during winter.

My dad has been riding me for the last 2-3 years about the fact that his KIA Sorento has remote start and my X3 doesn't. Now I'm getting a 2020 X3 M40i and it still doesn't have a feature his Kia came standard with? It's absolutely ridiculous, but at the same time you have to find some humor in it.

[Kermez]

Originally Posted by 335idrive

My dad has been riding me for the last 2-3 years about the fact that his KIA Sorento has remote start and my X3 doesn't. Now I'm getting a 2020 X3 M40i and it still doesn't have a feature his Kia came standard with? It's absolutely ridiculous, but at the same time you have to find some humor in it.

Well even couple times cheaper cars have safety belt position adjustment but not x3 so hardly remote start is the worst example.

[Keweenawbee]

Winter is coming .......... again.

[335idrive]

Originally Posted by Kermez

Well even couple times cheaper cars have safety belt position adjustment but not x3 so hardly remote start is the worst example.

I'm not sure if adjusting the shoulder strap height is quite on par with the convenience of being able to start your car from inside your house on a cold winter's morning, but I get what you're saying.

Btw, who needs that adjustment? Never once had an issue with strap height. I'm 6'4, so maybe it's for shorter folk?

[Alias1431]

Agreed.

[Juris]

They call it "Puffing" and there is a $60.00 fine if caught with your car running and you are not in it. Not a big deal but still discourages some...so far 200+ cited in 2019.

[nxa]

Originally Posted by Juris

They call it "Puffing" and there is a $60.00 fine if caught with your car running and you are not in it. Not a big deal but still discourages some...so far 200+ cited in 2019.

That law is about preventing vehicle theft. Not applicable to cars with Remote Start (assuming you haven’t left your key fob inside the car!) and some explicit exemptions have been made to clarify that.

Im heading towards a hot summer again and it will be my second without remote start to cool down after having had it in several non BMW (and cheaper) cars prior.

[suby01]

Originally Posted by nxa

That law is about preventing vehicle theft. Not applicable to cars with Remote Start (assuming you haven’t left your key fob inside the car!) and some explicit exemptions have been made to clarify that.

Im heading towards a hot summer again and it will be my second without remote start to cool down after having had it in several non BMW (and cheaper) cars prior.

How does that make sense. My MB has remote start from the app. I can start the car and let it run for up to 10 minutes from anywhere in the world.

[Alias1431]

Yes, it's baffling. Either incompetence or they fucked us over on purpose as part of some grand scheme to encourage model turnover. I suspect many brands purposely dilute new revisions to prevent initial years from being "too good." /Tin foil hat

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Alias1431

Yes, it's baffling. Either incompetence or they fucked us over on purpose

Anybody here ever do product work for a corporation?

Well if you had, then you'd know this is an easy answer: lawyers.

"but but but other companies do it and how come BMW can't blah blah blah "
Corporate Legal says: if those other companies jumped off a liability bridge, should we?

Lawyers.

[Alias1431]

Doesn't the X5 have it? And others?

[Juris]

Our law doesn't care how your car got started. It simply proscribes you from allowing your car to run if you are not in it.

[spangle1980]

[spangle1980]

Shit - that's an X5 sorry. On second play I realised the halo shape and vents inside point to X5.

Apolos.

[mattssi]

I want that?!

[nxa]

Originally Posted by suby01

How does that make sense. My MB has remote start from the app. I can start the car and let it run for up to 10 minutes from anywhere in the world.

It doesn't. Many cars have remote start but for some reason BMW don't.

If you meant 'how does puffing' law make sense, it's because a traditional car with engine running and keys in it is very easy to steal. But a remote start car isn't. If it's like several GM cars I've owned, the car will remain locked, and even if you get in, it will not allow you to put it in gear and drive unless you put your foot on the brake and press the start button with key in the car first. Trying to just put it in gear kills the engine.

That's why the 'puffing' laws are irrelevant to remote start, and why some regions explicitly exempt them. That's a good thing.

[nxa]

Originally Posted by Juris

Our law doesn't care how your car got started. It simply proscribes you from allowing your car to run if you are not in it.

Obviously the world is a big place, but I'd be surprised if anyone really got fined for using remote start once the facts are known.

Although I see NJ can fine for 'excessive idling' (over 3 minutes) in some cases on basis of pollution.

Lots of factors, but I still want it in my BMW!

[xlover]

Originally Posted by nxa

It doesn't. Many cars have remote start but for some reason BMW don't.

If you meant 'how does puffing' law make sense, it's because a traditional car with engine running and keys in it is very easy to steal. But a remote start car isn't. If it's like several GM cars I've owned, the car will remain locked, and even if you get in, it will not allow you to put it in gear and drive unless you put your foot on the brake and press the start button with key in the car first. Trying to just put it in gear kills the engine.

That's why the 'puffing' laws are irrelevant to remote start, and why some regions explicitly exempt them. That's a good thing.

I think the frustration with the x3 is boiling over because bmw has introduced remote start on the new 3, x5, x7, 7, z4. Many were expecting it with the upgrade to idrive 7 and live cockpit. Probably something coming at lci

[Peter619]

I took delivery of a 2019 330xi last week and I am questioning the remote start function already because it does not heat or cool the car, nor does it activate the defrosters. Basically, as far as I can tell, it just warms the engine. Nothing else turns on until you press the brake and the start button. So what are the benefits of a remote start in a BMW? My parents have a Hyundai that costs half what a BMW costs and their remote start activates whatever is appropriate given the weather conditions at the time.