MSS urban adjustable springs for X3 M

allinon72 · 03-24-2021, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tarmactrr

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Originally Posted by allinon72

Not sure what you mean by "directly"...if you mean right off the bat, yes you can set the fronts all the way down but then you'd have to match the rear to be at least level. Otherwise, if you set both front and rear adjusters all the way down, the rear would be lower than the front with the revised springs I believe.

I do find it strange that the front springs make the car essentially sit up higher at the same spring perch setting. It makes it where you can drop the rear of the car about 3/4in lower than you can drop the front.

Not sure if that was the issue with the original springs too, or a consequence of the revised springs.

I believe the front spring was made taller to eliminate spring noise, hence you can't go quite as low.

IMO you wouldn't want to put the rear down all the way anyway as it would lead to a very rough ride.

r33_RGSport · 03-24-2021, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tarmactrr

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Originally Posted by allinon72

Not sure what you mean by "directly"...if you mean right off the bat, yes you can set the fronts all the way down but then you'd have to match the rear to be at least level. Otherwise, if you set both front and rear adjusters all the way down, the rear would be lower than the front with the revised springs I believe.

I do find it strange that the front springs make the car essentially sit up higher at the same spring perch setting. It makes it where you can drop the rear of the car about 3/4in lower than you can drop the front.

Not sure if that was the issue with the original springs too, or a consequence of the revised springs.

You can't go any lower than what I recommend.
Because you'll be riding on the bump stop and have bouncy ride.

r33_RGSport · 03-24-2021, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tarmactrr

Also figured I would post this for anybody who is interested.

This is at 5mm gap on front and 20mm gap on rear on the spring height

According to the alignment tech, the camber on the front is not adjustable, so I was basically stuck with the left front being out of tolerance by .2 deg. The rears are adjustable, but I ran out of adjustment at 1.4deg. That said it was within the acceptable range.

After the alignment I did a short sprinted drive and am very happy at the handling of the springs. Still has very responsive turn in and mid corner stability, and feels a bit more planted when dealing with mid corner bumps.

Edit - I should also add the rear toe is at the minimum allowable because I asked for the reduced toe in order to try to help with tire life.

My rear tire with MSS.
Was on stock height for about 3-4000 miles, then the rest on MSS without alignment.
Lasted up to 14k miles.

tarmactrr · 03-24-2021, 10:12 PM

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My rear tire with MSS.
Was on stock height for about 3-4000 miles, then the rest on MSS without alignment.
Lasted up to 14k miles.

Good to know. Was a PS4s too

I'm generally fairly hard on tires, so I'm hoping I can get 15k out of this set.

r33_RGSport · 03-24-2021, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tarmactrr

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My rear tire with MSS.
Was on stock height for about 3-4000 miles, then the rest on MSS without alignment.
Lasted up to 14k miles.

Good to know. Was a PS4s too

I'm generally fairly hard on tires, so I'm hoping I can get 15k out of this set.

Mine is Toyo T1R Sport.

Trust me, I drive hard too. Haha.

Just got fresh set, ready for next track day.

dazzapb · 03-26-2021, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cookiesowns

Y’all with an older X3 and on older software should consider an update.

Like the F8X M3 further updates that came on newer MY’s got improvements. An update allows older cars to get the same behavior.

I just did mine (with special tools) and the car is vastly improved including damping.

thanks for the info, I have a few recalls that I was going to get done at the first service in 3-4 months time. Something about DME, and also what appears to be a faulty headlight sensor.

Is there anything specific I need to ask for to get the software update done for the dampers?

Thanks!

allinon72 · 03-28-2021, 06:00 PM

Just a PSA - seems that the price of the MSS kit has risen $400+

Kevin_The_Clean1 · 03-28-2021, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by allinon72

Just a PSA - seems that the price of the MSS kit has risen $400+

I wonder why...

r33_RGSport · 03-28-2021, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by allinon72

Just a PSA - seems that the price of the MSS kit has risen $400+

Yea, unfortunately it is.
COVID is main part of the causes.

Kevin_The_Clean1 · 03-29-2021, 03:25 AM

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Yea, unfortunately it is.
COVID is main part of the causes.

That's a substantial bump in costs and healthy increase in price for Covid.

allinon72 · 03-29-2021, 04:04 PM

In all honesty I always thought $849 was too cheap for this kit, not that I wanted to pay a higher price but just in comparison to similar suspension kits for BMWs.

Kevin_The_Clean1 · 03-29-2021, 05:00 PM

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In all honesty I always thought $849 was too cheap for this kit, not that I wanted to pay a higher price but just in comparison to similar suspension kits for BMWs.

That's an excellent point & I never thought about it that way until you explained it this way. I guess you're right that the engineering & knowledge that went into this kit were priced a touch on the low side.

Antocalm · 04-11-2021, 01:16 PM

Bonjour à tous ! Je souhaiterais savoir sous combien de miles les ressorts avant ce placent t’ils correctement ?

allinon72 · 06-20-2021, 08:45 AM

Update on my install after about 1500 miles or so...no real complaints, other than a very faint noise turning at low speeds, forward or reverse. It's almost feels like the spring is being bound up momentarily, has that kind of sensation. Haven't had a chance to take the wheels off and take a look.

Other than that, I may go a few MMs lower in the front.

Dobie Dog · 06-20-2021, 05:28 PM

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Update on my install after about 1500 miles

I am at roughly 2000 miles after my install. No issues at all other than an occasional comment from someone that says "your SUV looks lower than most".

Outwardly I say...Yup

Inwardly I say "lower and faster"....Have a nice day

Bufford T · 07-21-2021, 10:49 AM

Anyone upgraded an LCI car yet? (presuming they are now being delivered)

GrandMasterKhan · 09-20-2021, 04:19 PM

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Anyone upgraded an LCI car yet? (presuming they are now being delivered)

The 22 X3M Comp is softer than the previous gen. I am not sure I would want it any softer than it is now. So im on the fence about getting these.

r33_RGSport · 09-20-2021, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GrandMasterKhan

The 22 X3M Comp is softer than the previous gen. I am not sure I would want it any softer than it is now. So im on the fence about getting these.

Since '22 is softer than '20 and '21, it doesn't mean that it will go softer by putting on MSS.
It will be the same ride quality as '20 and '21 with MSS.

bSwiazzy · 09-20-2021, 05:24 PM

ive had mine for like a month or so probably put under 1k mi on it

love it and it sits just right

handling is better imo with the lower center of gravity for the every day driver

neenow2006 · 09-21-2021, 03:33 AM

Where have people been getting mss springs installed? Do you have bmw dealer install them? I do not have any bmw tuning type shops around me that I know of in Indianapolis so trying to figure out where would be best place to look for.

Kevin_The_Clean1 · 09-21-2021, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GrandMasterKhan

The 22 X3M Comp is softer than the previous gen. I am not sure I would want it any softer than it is now. So im on the fence about getting these.

More compliant over broken pavement doesn't mean softer. Also, tire selection make a big different too. The factory damper & springs are the exact same units. You know this already. Right?

GrandMasterKhan · 09-23-2021, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

More compliant over broken pavement doesn't mean softer. Also, tire selection make a big different too. The factory damper & springs are the exact same units. You know this already. Right?

I went from a 2020 to a 22 Lci, same tires (conti 6) , the 22 is Noticeably smoother and the suspension is absolutely softer on all settings.

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allinon72 Brigadier General 4944 Rep 3,815 Posts Drives: 20' M2C, 23' X1 Join Date: May 2017 Location: Indianapolis, IN iTrader: (2)	In all honesty I always thought $849 was too cheap for this kit, not that I wanted to pay a higher price but just in comparison to similar suspension kits for BMWs.
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allinon72 Brigadier General 4944 Rep 3,815 Posts Drives: 20' M2C, 23' X1 Join Date: May 2017 Location: Indianapolis, IN iTrader: (2)	Update on my install after about 1500 miles or so...no real complaints, other than a very faint noise turning at low speeds, forward or reverse. It's almost feels like the spring is being bound up momentarily, has that kind of sensation. Haven't had a chance to take the wheels off and take a look. Other than that, I may go a few MMs lower in the front.
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bSwiazzy Second Lieutenant 201 Rep 279 Posts Drives: 2021 X3M Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Southern California iTrader: (0)	ive had mine for like a month or so probably put under 1k mi on it love it and it sits just right handling is better imo with the lower center of gravity for the every day driver __________________ 2015 Honda Civic Si // FBO + Hondata // Retired 2017 340i // FBO + BM3 // Retired 2020 M340i // Stage 2 // Retired 2021 X3M // RGSport Midpipe + MSS + RaceChipGTS // Retired 2016 Rav4
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